Re: [tools-pmc] Some comments on recent nomination/vote in EDT project

["Schaefer, Doug" <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually, I was talking about getting an e-mail notification when an election starts. Right now, we only get one when it finishes and needs PMC approval.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:01 AM
> To: tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Some comments on recent nomination/vote in EDT
> project
> 
> The portal already shows elections in progress.
> 
> What it doesn't provide is an easy way to get at the nomination text.
> That's dumped into the mailing list so you'd have to hunt it down.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 10/19/2011 09:42 AM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
> > +1 Thanks for doing that David. It is one of our roles as PMC to ensure the
> projects are following the guidelines that we've set out. It's about making
> sure the projects are open and I actually find the contributions list most
> important in showing that aspect of the contributors work. File bugs and
> write patches and you're already working in an open fashion.
> >
> > We've vetoed elections in the past, and I'd actually like to be notified that
> an election is happening so that we can have those discussions before the
> election closes. We should see if that's something we can add to the portal.
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-
> >> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David M Williams
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:24 AM
> >> To: tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tools-pmc] Some comments on recent nomination/vote in EDT
> >> project
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I case any of you on the Tools PMC do not follow the edt-dev list, I
> >> wanted to forward these comments I made there (pasted below).
> >>
> >> I approved the nomination, but think it could have included more
> >> detail about a "history of contributions".
> >>
> >> I am sure we would all agree that a "history of contributions" is
> >> important, and also that we as the PMC don't need to be too stern or
> >> strict, if there's no complaints or objections from committers. So,
> >> my comments were mostly to "set the tone" and expectations for future
> nominations.
> >>
> >> Let me know if anyone disagrees with my advice, but mostly wanted to
> >> forward it here, to be sure we were all relatively consistent.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Forwarded by David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM on 10/19/2011 02:13
> >> AM
> >> -----
> >>
> >> From:	David M Williams/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
> >> To:	EGL Development Tools <edt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date:	10/19/2011 02:08 AM
> >> Subject:	Re: [edt-dev] Committer vote for Theresa Ramsey has
> >> concluded
> >>             successfully ... some comments from your friendly PMC
> >> Sent by:	edt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> EDT Committers,
> >>
> >> I do plan to give my PMC vote and think Theresa will be a great committer
> ...
> >> but ... I think this is a good opportunity for me to comment on the
> >> nomination and process to make sure future expectations are clear.
> >>
> >> The nomination was not as detailed as we'd normally like to see. It
> >> said, basically, only that "Theresa will be taking over ownership of
> >> the EDT website".
> >>
> >> Normally, we'd like to see some description that shows a history of
> >> contributions before someone becomes a committer. Granted,
> >> committership is primarily up to the committers, but, normally, they
> >> should base their judgement on a public, demonstrated history of
> >> contributions, usually in the form of patches, or attachments to
> >> bugs, but can also include design documents, newsgroup participation,
> >> wiki pages, etc. I suspect maybe it was felt "its only the website"
> >> ... but, still, access is access, and any committership should have at least
> some history.
> >>
> >> The reason the Eclipse rules were set up this was was to avoid mere
> >> "positions" that would change based on employment, or assigned
> >> responsibilities from employers, but instead be determined based on
> >> publically demonstrated abilities and commitment to the project while
> >> working with the other committers, in the open. For easy reference,
> >> I'll include some links:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process_2011.
> >> php#4_1_Committers
> >>
> >>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Nominating_and_
> >> Electing_a_New_Committer
> >>
> >>
> >> I certainly have no doubts about Theresa's abilities or commitment to
> >> the project, but it was not documented in the nomination. I did go to
> >> the trouble to search bugzilla and found 8 or 10 bugs that Theresa
> >> had commented on, beginning in September, so perhaps that is enough
> >> "history of contributions"? Even if so, no one should have to guess
> >> and it should be documented in the nomination. So, in the future,
> >> please be sure to include a good "history of contributions" or at least,
> state why there isn't one.
> >>
> >> I want to emphasize that I do not have any concerns at all with this
> >> specific case, but thought it the perfect case to comment on. I did
> >> not want to leave the impression that "history of contributions" did
> >> not matter and am hoping a friendly reminder now would help avoid
> >> more complicated situations in the future.
> >>
> >> I hope this advise helpful. I don't mean to "burden" the process ...
> >> I know, it's hard enough as it is.
> >>
> >> Thank you all very much for your contributions to Eclipse and EDT.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Inactive hide details for portal-noreply---10/19/2011 12:03:58
> >> AM---tools.edt Committers, This automatically generated message
> >> portal-noreply---10/19/2011 12:03:58 AM---tools.edt Committers, This
> >> automatically generated message marks the successful completion of
> >>
> >> From: portal-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx (portal on behalf of Matt Heitz)
> >> To: edt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: 10/19/2011 12:03 AM
> >> Subject: [edt-dev] Committer vote for Theresa Ramsey has concluded
> >> successfully Sent by: edt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> tools.edt Committers,
> >> This automatically generated message marks the successful completion
> >> of voting for Theresa Ramsey to receive full Committer status on the
> >> tools.edt project. The next step is for the PMC to approve this vote,
> >> followed by the EMO processing the paperwork and provisioning the
> account.
> >>
> >> Vote summary: 7/0/0 with 13 not voting
> >>   ?  Aaron Allsbrook
> >>  +1  Tony Chen
> >>   ?  Alice Connors
> >>   ?  Jeffrey Douglas
> >>   ?  Scott Greer
> >>   ?  Paul Harmon
> >>  +1  Matt Heitz
> >>  +1  Jiyong Huang
> >>   ?  Lisa Lasher
> >>  +1  Ben Margolis
> >>   ?  Jing Qian
> >>   ?  Jon Shavor
> >>   ?  Will Smythe
> >>  +1  Justin Spadea
> >>   ?  Brian Svihovec
> >>   ?  John Trevisan (ClearBlade)
> >>   ?  Bart Van Campenhout
> >>  +1  Joseph Vincens
> >>   ?  Tim W Wilson
> >>  +1  Zhi Zhu
> >>
> >> If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact your
> >> project lead, PMC member, or the EMO <emo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
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