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RE: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
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Chris:
Yep!
It needs help.
Some of the simple things that can be done in the short term:
- frequent builds, weeklies or monthlies. at the minimum monthly.
Erik and I worked, and I posted a revised patch here. Joe told me he
would be looking at it today.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=202562
I also made an un-official build on that patch.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065&package_id=
154855&release_id=539176
- scheduled open calls
- and bug triage: Chris, I would like to put it up on the next Eclipse
bug day as a task: triage on VE. we have more than 400 . that is a
daunting task to review, close, test, and so on. I am pretty sure that
there are at least half of tem which are stalled, irrelevant bugs.
Doug:
I think the community needs it and wants it.
A little would go a long way. This is a mature code base.
--
Cheers
Philippe
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net - http://eclipse.org/atf
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:43 AM
> To: Ed Merks; Tools PMC mailing list
> Cc: Bjorn Freeman-Benson; 'Gaff, Doug'; Erik Hecht; Michael
> Thonhauser; Philippe Ombredanne
> Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
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>
> +1
>
> VE could use a little love ;)
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> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:24:19
> To:Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc:Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "'Chris Aniszczyk'" <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Gaff,
> Doug'" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Erik Hecht
> <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, Michael Thonhauser
> <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>, Philippe Ombredanne
> <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>, Tools PMC mailing list
> <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>, tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
>
>
> Doug,
>
> Yes, you can see that he's on an earlier note in the chain,
> but there's
> been no response. I can only assume that folks are too busy on other
> things to answer their notes. There seems to be a fair bit
> of interest in
> VE from the community given the newsgroup traffic, but that
> just doesn't
> equate to a desire actually contribute to it.
>
> I don't know anything about NAB, but it's an interesting question...
>
>
> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
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> Doug Schaefer
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> Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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> <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> 09/13/2007 09:59 "'Chris Aniszczyk'"
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> AM
> <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, Michael
> Thonhauser
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> <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>,
> Please respond to "'Gaff, Doug'"
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> Tools PMC mailing
> <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Philippe
> list Ombredanne
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> <tools-pmc@eclips Erik Hecht
> <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>
> e.org>
> Subject
> RE: [tools-pmc] Fw:
> Reviving the
> Visual Editor project
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> I assume Joe Winchester is still the project lead. Has he
> been contacted
> about this?
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> Aside from making sure everyone is in the loop. I?m all for
> new blood on
> VE. Although the lack of interest from the community in VE
> has me worried
> that it may not be the right solution for the problem.
>
> I also wonder if there is any synergy to be had between VE
> and NAB (Native
> Application Builder). NAB is more for native GUIs, but it would be
> interesting to see if that could be expanded to include SWT
> and Swing. Just
> a thought?
>
> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
>
> From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:28 AM
> To: Tools PMC mailing list
> Cc: Bjorn Freeman-Benson; 'Chris Aniszczyk'; Michael Thonhauser;
> tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx; Philippe Ombredanne;
> tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx;
> Erik Hecht
> Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor project
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> If the project is abandoned and there are reasonable people willing to
> stand up and do work/maintenance then it is hard to complain.
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> Jeff
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> Ed
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> Sorry for the spam. I'm reposting since the last post may be
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> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
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> ----- Forwarded by Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM on 09/13/2007 08:05 AM -----
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> Ed
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> To
> 09/13/2007 08:04 tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> AM
> cc
> Philippe Ombredanne
> <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>, "'Chris
> Aniszczyk'"
> <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>,
> Michael Thonhauser
> <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>,
> Erik Hecht
> <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, Bjorn
> Freeman-Benson
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> Subject
> Fw: Reviving the Visual Editor
> project
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> Tools PMC Members,
>
> The VE project appears to be in need of a kick start. The existing
> committers are inactive, i.e., they do not response to notes,
> newsgroup
> questions, nor do they incorporate contributed patches. A new set of
> committers is needed. Philippe and Erik appear to be good
> candidates,
> although I have yet to get an e-mail response from Erik to
> any of the notes
> I've sent him whereas Philippe appears to be very responsive,
> so Philippe
> appears to be the best candidate to lead the project.
>
> What are your thoughts on this?
>
>
> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
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> ----- Forwarded by Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM on 09/13/2007 07:54 AM -----
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> Bjorn
> Freeman-Benson
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> To
> nson@xxxxxxxxxxx> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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> cc
> 09/07/2007 09:58 Philippe Ombredanne
> AM <pombredanne@xxxxxxxx>, "'Chris
> Aniszczyk'"
> <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>,
> Michael Thonhauser
> <michael.thonhauser@xxxxxxxxx>,
> Erik Hecht
> <erik@xxxxxxxxxx>, Rich
> Kulp <richkulp@xxxxxxxxxx>, Joe
> Winchester
> <WINCHEST@xxxxxxxxxx>,
> Nick Boldt/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>
> Subject
> Re: Reviving the Visual Editor
> project
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> Ed, Phillippe, others,
> List of committers:
> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/lists.php?list=byproject¶m
> =tools.ve
> By activity:
> http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/active-committers
> .cgi?project=tools.ve
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>
> If you want to reboot the project, the Tools PMC should be the ones to
> make that happen. I'm definitely in support of rebooting it with new
> committers, so get the Tools PMC to advertise the fact to the larger
> community and we'll go forward with it.
>
> Ed Merks wrote:
> > Philippe,
> >
> > Chris and I will try to find out who is currently a
> committer and how we
> > can move forward by installing new committers who can take
> an active role
> > in keeping this project viable. I've copied all the folks
> who I think
> are
> > interested parties. Perhaps Bjorn is in a good position to
> know who is
> > currently a committer and what process should be followed
> to install a
> new
> > set of committers for a project that currently appears to be
> committerless.
> > There appears to be a set of changes to make VE work with
> Eclipse 3.3 and
> > there is a vested community interest in getting these into CVS and
> > producing builds for it. Nick might be able to invest a very small
> amount
> > of time with build infrastructure if that's necessary. If
> anyone has
> > constructive suggestions for how to move forward, we're all ears!
> >
> >
> > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
> >
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> > "Philippe
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> > Ombredanne"
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> > <pombredanne@nexb
> To
> > .com> "'Chris Aniszczyk'"
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> > <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>, Ed
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> > 09/06/2007 10:34 Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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> > PM
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> Subject
> > Reviving the Visual
> Editor project
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> > All:
> > The Visual Editor project is distress.
> > we have been shipping it with EasyEclipse until now, and are stucked
> > without committer support which all seem to be awol.
> > There are over 400 open bugs, and no commits since May 2007.
> > There is a small group of people that care about it, and
> would want to
> > maintain it, even if it minimally for starters.
> > The initial and modest goals would be to :
> > 1/ update VE such that it can run on 3.3 Europa: there is already a
> > patch that has been worked on by Erik Hecht and we tested
> it nicely with
> > 3.3.
> > 2/ maintain VE so that it could be part of Ganymede.
> > If there is enough momemtum that can be gathered from step
> one, we could
> > move forward and address important bugs and performance issues.
> > If nothing is done the project is dead.
> > A minimal effort that we are ready to commit can keep it afloat.
> > Ed you seem to care lately based on your news posts.
> > I would like the topic brought forward at the board meeting
> (unless we
> > can resolve it between committers before then).
> > Cordially
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> > http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net -
> http://eclipse.org/atf
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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