Re: [tools-pmc] website

[Jeff McAffer <Jeff_McAffer@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Matt, 

Matt Chapman wrote on 11/21/2006 09:06:09 AM:

> I created the Lazarus theme by cloning the Phoenix theme and 
> changing the top banner. There was never any intention to alter 
> fonts or link colours. Since then, various changes have been made
to
> the Phoenix theme and to other parts of the Phoenix infrastructure,
> and I think that has resulted in some of these issues: 

Thanks for the answers.  The issues
I'm raising here are the same as the ones I (and others) raised against
the main eclipse.org site.  For the most part these have been addressed
there.  Perhaps Lazarus needs to be updated with the same fixes.

> 1. Fonts. It looks like you've pressed the large
'A' to increase the
> font size. If you select the smaller size, do the fonts then look
> the same between the two pages? This font size control was added 
> since Lazarus was created. If you prefer this control instead of 
> using your browser's font size control (such as Control-+), then we
> could look at adding the control to Lazarus. 

Yes A has been pressed.  Without that all of
the eclipse.org fonts are too small.  For me and many other people.

> 2. Browser width. If the width of the browser
window is too small, 
> the top nav links overlap or get truncated. The same issue applies
> to both themes, it's just that the layout of Lazarus means it hits
> the issue first. I originally made sure that the Lazarus theme 
> looked ok down to a width of around 800 pixels, but since then items
> have been added to the top nav section, which means that the minimum
> width is now around 1000 pixels, which is rather too high. 

Yes, 1000 is quite wide.

> 3. Links not visible. I don't follow this one
- I can see the links 
> in your screenshot. Maybe it's because of the difference in font 
> size - at the same size, do the links then show in the same way?

The standard font setup relies on font color to indicate
links.  Perhaps it is just my eyes or my computer but dark purple
8 point font is indistinguishable from black 8 point font.  As a result,
you look at a page and cannot tell where any of the links are.  With
the alternate A font setup, the links show up as bold and purple and are
quite easy to see.

> 4. Main content width. This is not related to
the theme. If the 
> browser doesn't believe it can fit a section in, it moves it down.
> The difference between the two pages is that the Tools page doesn't
> have a right-hand column and so the main section is wider. The 
> midcolumn block on this page is given a width of 80%, to fill some
> space that would otherwise be taken up with a right-hand column, but
> this is arbitrary because the left-hand column is given a fixed 
> width of 140 pixels. So we really want the midcolumn to have a width
> of ( window.width - 140 - margins), but I believe this would require
> _javascript_. That's one solution, or we can avoid the issue somewhat
> by making the column narrower, leaving whitespace or adding a right-
> hand column - if there is some content relating to the Tools page
> that we could add here. 

Right.  The challenge here is that users have
to make their browsers some largish minimum width to use the site.  

> By the way, to see what the tools page looks
like under the default 
> Phoenix theme, change Lazarus to Phoenix in this line in _projectCommon.php:
>     $theme = "Lazarus";

Yup.  I'm sure this would work.  

In the end I don't really care about the look but
people should not be "jarred" when moving from one project to
another (e.g., I have to change broswer font sizes to use the Tools page
but no others).  The way it is now, navigating from the projects page
to all the top level projects looks/works fine except the Tools project
(and the ones that have not converted yet).

Jeff