Re: [platform-ui-dev] Auto-save questions

[Stefan Xenos <sxenos@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> @Stefan
> Why are you against adding the old information as a second path? If something fails with oomph users should be

> still able to workaround with the manual installation path. 

I'm concerned about two things:

1. Having to keep both the manual instructions and oomph setup in sync. If we add a new build dependency or required preference, we don't want the manual instructions to get.

2. We don't want to overload new users with unnecessary extra steps (those who just want to contribute to the code and aren't trying to do anything advanced).

I'd suggest we deal with (1) by auto-generating the manual instructions from the oomph setup files. Since the .setup files are just declarative XML, it shouldn't be too hard to auto-convert them into an HTML page - much like we do with extension point schemas. In that case, there would only be one source of truth - the oomph scripts - but people would still have access to user-readable doc if they want it.

We could deal with (2) by putting the manual steps on a separate page and linking to it from the main page. Right up at the top, it could say "if you don't want to run the installer and would prefer to set up your environment manually, please see <these steps>". That way, anyone scrolling through the page quickly won't be overloaded with instructions but anyone who is actually looking for the manual steps can find them.

  - Stefan

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:32 AM Sopot Cela <scela@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks for the hints.

I do not use Oomph for setting up my development environment. In fact I never have and don't know how to do it. But also I don't have any interest to know at this point. I believe this is what is described as 'manual' in this thread and I intend to keep doing that.

My experience with Oomph was in just downloading and using eclipse as a 'Simple Joe' from the website and start doing Hello World so I didn't even go into Advanced mode. This experience was considerably worse than downloading and unzipping. And considering that our target audience are developers, the act of unzipping shouldn't exactly be seen as somewhat advanced. However I don't want to hijack this thread with my personal opinions on this side-topic.

Sopot

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "Patrik Suzzi" <psuzzi@xxxxxxxxx>
> Aan: "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list." <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 13 juli 2016 12:48:56
> Onderwerp: Re: [platform-ui-dev] Auto-save questions
>
> In the last days I saw some slowdown in Oomph,
> that means that probably everyone is using it, and the Git/Gerrit repos are
> receiving lots of clone-requests
>
> To speed-up Oomph installation, I recommend:
> - using the p2 .bundlepools (this should be default)
> - using
> ${git.container.root/}${@id.remoteURI|gitRepository}-${@id.checkoutBranch}
> as git-clone rule
>
> As:
> - With the bundlepools getting the IDE bundles is quick
> - With a fixed git repo url, you reuse existing code -> getting the source is
> Quick.
>
> Example for Platform UI setup
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Patrik Suzzi
> Software Engineer, Eclipse
> Platform UI Committer
> https://about.me/psuzzi
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Sopot Cela < scela@xxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "Dirk Fauth" < dirk.fauth@xxxxxxxxx >
> > Aan: "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list." <
> > platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx >
> > Verzonden: Woensdag 13 juli 2016 10:45:27
> > Onderwerp: Re: [platform-ui-dev] Auto-save questions
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, maybe I misinterpreted some discussions. In that case nevermind. Sorry
> > for the noise.
> >
> > Regarding the oomph Setup. I have installed platform-ui and
> > platform-runtime.
> > The freeze monitoring is enabled by default. I can see in the progress
> > information that resolving the bundle dependencies is taking the time.
> >
> > I'm not sure what is wrong. The installation via oomph took hours. But that
> > is probably an issue with the infrastructure we are seeing the last days. I
>
> I also decided to give a test drive to Oomph on Windows and it took at least
> half an our to collect everything. In the meantime I downloaded and unzipped
> the zip version a couple of times. I didn't react with a bug as I also
> blamed it on infra. However it remains that for the first-time downloader
> (what we offer on eclipse.org ), it doesn't really matter where the issue
> lies. All they see is zip downloading is faster (if they manage to find the
> zip).
>
> Also on Linux the installer is a zip. If I have to unzip the installer and
> run it, I might as well unzip eclipse itself.
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