Re: [microprofile-wg] [microprofile] MicroProfile and Jakarta EE, Surviv

[Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxx>]

We've shared our perspective on these dynamics in the past so I am thinking it is worth summarizing it here briefly just once more.

To be honest, we have been keeping an eye on this for a while now and it is far from easy to figure out. What is certain is that Jakarta EE is very far from out of the woods just yet. What is equally clear is that MicroProfile as a brand really has not succeeded, most definitely not as a serious challenger to the Spring ecosystem. In fact, it barely has significant brand recognition even after so many years. By comparison, it seems Jakarta EE actually fares a bit better as a brand. Why these are the facts is very hard to discern. It may be that MicroProfile is essentially seen as an offshoot of Jakarta EE and there is no practical way of changing that. This is the case even with Quarkus customers we have been able to talk to so far. This is despite the fact the Quarkus customers have the most significant brand association with MicroProfile. It gets worse with customers of Liberty, WildFly, Payara, etc.

I fully understand this is probably hard to hear for some folks. Nonetheless, in good faith I am sharing what we really see in the wild and we have been trying hard to understand. 

On 3/24/2025 1:22 PM, Arjan Tijms wrote:

Hi,

 

First point is what was the impact on our collective opportunity for Java EE in the industry due to our 7 year gap in delivering new functionality?

While the gap was undoubtedly far too big, and I've too cited this exact gap as the main reason Spring took over to the degree it did, it was actually a little bit less big.

Java EE 8 was released in mid 2017 and Jakarta EE 10 was released mid 2022, so it's 5 years really.

See also

* https://blogs.oracle.com/javamagazine/post/java-for-the-enterprise-what-to-expect-in-jakarta-ee-10

* https://blogs.oracle.com/javamagazine/post/transition-from-java-ee-to-jakarta-ee

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

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