Clark - can you
                                            please address these within
                                            reason please? The key
                                            question here is whether we
                                            can ship the iJUG swag to
                                            Eclipse Foundation Germany
                                            without iJUG paying more
                                            money.
                                          
                                          
                                          Jan - frankly
                                            international shipping in
                                            any significant quantity is
                                            simply a hassle I hope we
                                            can avoid the best we are
                                            able or at least limit it to
                                            what is absolutely
                                            necessary. I don’t know that
                                            there is a way around paying
                                            taxes, duties, etc if you
                                            absolutely want things
                                            shipped to you. I am sure
                                            the Foundation will do what
                                            it can, but as a non-profit
                                            it cannot do anything
                                            improper. I suggest simply
                                            having Payara distribute
                                            this swag at DevNexus. If
                                            you want a few hoodies for
                                            yourself, I or Ed can save
                                            it aside and give it to you
                                            in person. That in my
                                            opinion is the most
                                            reasonable path here, pretty
                                            much for you too.
                                         
                                         
                                        
                                        
                                        Hi Reza, 
                                        
                                        first, thank you for supporting
                                        this! 
                                        
                                        Unfortunately I need some
                                        additional information and could
                                        not get 
                                        answers on the last MP Marketing
                                        Meeting: 
                                        
                                        From where the shipping will be
                                        done? 
                                        What is the worth of the
                                        shipment? 
                                        Which logistic companies are
                                        involved? 
                                        When is planed to ship? 
                                        Would be able to receive the
                                        shipment free of any charge (to
                                        Germany: 
                                        additional transport fees, 19 %
                                        tax, unknown customs
                                        percentage)? 
                                        
                                        As all the involved parties
                                        "optimize" the (in fact: their
                                        part only of 
                                        the) process, we are not sure we
                                        are able to receive a swag
                                        delivery in 
                                        a reliable way. 
                                        The 2021 Swag delivery failed
                                        glorious and a lot of resources
                                        are wasted 
                                        already! 
                                        
                                        To ensure the delivery of the
                                        2022 swag can be received, I
                                        want to pick 
                                        it up in person at the Eclipse
                                        Foundation Europe office or
                                        storage in 
                                        Darmstadt, Germany (
https://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/contact.php,
                                        
                                        Silvia will be the contact
                                        person). 
                                        The other parts of the EF should
                                        be able select the best option
                                        to send 
                                        there - I only figured out that
                                        the 2022 MP Swag is not located
                                        there 
                                        already. 
                                        As I expect the swag shipment
                                        from somewhere (outside the EU)
                                        will not 
                                        be free of charge, delivery to
                                        the JavaLand (starting 21st of
                                        March) 
                                        directly will not be possible
                                        already and a hub somewhere is
                                        necessary 
                                        to be in time. Or we have to
                                        store it for JavaLand 2024... 
                                        
                                        Until the swag creation and
                                        delivery process works
                                        end-to-end up to 
                                        reliable receiving, I want to
                                        pick up the swag from the EFE
                                        site, which 
                                        is reliable (of course, this is
                                        a local optimum from iJUG
                                        unfortunately). 
                                        
                                        The current process just do not
                                        work for us, as this is a push
                                        (from the 
                                        US?), not a pull where you have
                                        at least the chance to track the
                                        delivery. 
                                        Because of a lot of cheating in
                                        past of especially electronics
                                        from 
                                        China via Amazon with less worth
                                        declarations, the German customs
                                        is 
                                        strict now and also the free
                                        delivery limit has been lowered.
                                        
                                        
                                        On top, from the business
                                        perspective the additional fees
                                        and required 
                                        resources to handle these
                                        international shipments (for
                                        swag!) are 
                                        suboptimal. 
                                        As a habitant of this planet, I
                                        am shocked that we waste so much
                                        
                                        resources for sending enriched
                                        cotton around the globe - the
                                        smarter way 
                                        would be sending the design
                                        digitally and print locally
                                        (where 
                                        possible). This also could take
                                        into account other local
                                        standards like 
                                        sizes. 
                                        
                                        But again, many thanks to you,
                                        Reza, to forward this -
                                        hopefully you 
                                        have more success than me in the
                                        past to push this into the right
                                        direction. 
                                        And I hope I can spend more
                                        resources to the technical side
                                        (like fixing 
                                        vulnerabilities at the moment)
                                        again instead of doing
                                        logistics. ;-) 
                                        
                                        Best, 
                                        Jan 
                                        
                                        Am 03.03.23 um 18:07 schrieb
                                        Reza Rahman: 
                                        > Folks, 
                                        > 
                                        > We are trying to promptly
                                        send out the 2022 swag to all
                                        members as 
                                        > agreed. I need shipping
                                        addresses for the following
                                        members for this 
                                        > purpose. I also need a
                                        phone number associated with the
                                        shipping 
                                        > address, especially for
                                        shipments outside of North
                                        America. Please 
                                        > send it to me and Emerson
                                        (copied) privately. Please
                                        indicate if you 
                                        > would like to use this
                                        address/phone number going
                                        forward. 
                                        > 
                                        > * Fujitsu 
                                        > 
                                        > * iJUG 
                                        > 
                                        > * Oracle 
                                        > 
                                        > * Primeton 
                                        > 
                                        > * Tomitribe 
                                        > 
                                        > I already have the details
                                        for Atlanta JUG, Garden State
                                        JUG, IBM, 
                                        > Payara and Red Hat - thank
                                        you. 
                                        > 
                                        > I need this by next Friday,
                                        10th March at the very latest. 
                                        > 
                                        > Thanks, 
                                        > 
                                        > Reza 
                                        > 
                                        > 
                                        >
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