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Re: [microprofile-wg] [External] : Re: [microprofile] Proposal: Adjusting 2022 Budget

Oracle is good with this proposal. Just to make sure -- here is where I think this discussion has left us:

Corporate Revenue
Fees 2021
Fees 2022
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $1 billion
$25,000.00
$10,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $100 million but less than or equal to $1 billion
$20,000.00
$8,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $10 million but less than or equal to $100 million
$15,000.00
$6,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues less than or equal to $10 million
$5,000.00
$3,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues less than $1 million and < 10 employees
$1,500.00
$1,500.00

I would be happy to propose or second a formal resolution proposal. Since this was initiated by Tomitribe, I don't want to step ahead of them and no doubt we will word-smith this more but let's get that started:

The MicroProfile steering committee resolves to adopt the following fee structure, to be begin effective January 1, 2022:

Corporate Revenue
Annual Fees
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $1 billion
$10,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $100 million but less than or equal to $1 billion
$8,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $10 million but less than or equal to $100 million
$6,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues less than or equal to $10 million
$4,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues less than $1 million and < 10 employees
$1,500.00

Upon successful ratification of this proposal, the MicroProfile Working Group charter, Schedule A shall be revised as above. The new working group charter will be designed as version 1.2 and the working group shall adopt this new charter. No other changes to the charter are proposed with this resolution.

The working group charter has specific language about how fee changes can be passed. We may need to adjust our usual procedures to assure this is handled correctly. Regardless, fee structure changes require a two-thirds majority to pass.

-- Ed

On 11/4/2021 1:07 PM, John Clingan wrote:
Fair point, I should have posted (and will post) on the microprofile-wg channel.

On Nov 4, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Paul Buck <paul.buck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Dear All,

The business of the MicroProfile working group must be conducted on the working group channel (microprofile-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx). It is not okay to move these formal conversations off of the appropriate channel. This thread properly started on microprofile-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx and now over on the google group, please be careful to not move it.

Those that are interested and have not subscribed to microprofile-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx please do at https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/microprofile-wg

Thanks ... Paul


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From: John Clingan <jclingan@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [microprofile] Re: [microprofile-wg] Proposal: Adjusting 2022 Budget
To: MicroProfile <microprofile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Does anyone else have feedback? I'd like to start a vote soon if there is enough support since we are getting close to voting on a budget.

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 11:59:56 PM UTC-7 r...@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
+1, looks reasonable to me.
Thanks 

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 at 19:21, Amelia Eiras <aei...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
+1 Jon on both keeping the $1500 and maybe lowering to $3K the next level. 

In my view, the newest proposed budget makes it fairer for all ORGs involved and future members.

I believe that most of us wish to continue contributing to MicroProfile by doing the work ourselves.  Like that there is no gradual decline of MicroProfilers doing the actual work.  

We are so proud of MicroProfile's core belief #ByCommunityForCommunity.  Owning it also means that our actions, as a community, ought to support that philosophy.  
 
We get to discuss this topic via open forums  đź’› doing so makes MP super strong! 



On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 9:55 AM John Clingan <jcli...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I like the idea of having an “on-target-budget” of $50-60K as the WG adjusts in size, although it doesn't have to be written into the charter that way. I prefer keeping the minimum of $1,500 for traditional perceived value reasons - if it too low, people won’t perceive value, it encourages participations to get value out of the fee, etc. I would also be OK dropping the $4K down to $3K in support of your point.

On Nov 3, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.m...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I don’t have a problem in principle with reducing fees. Just a point to note smaller fee payers are getting a 20% reduction or zero reduction whereas larger organisations are getting 60% reductions. Shouldn’t the reduction be consistent across the board. If you want an approx 50% reduction just cut all fees by 50%?
 
Steve
 
From: microprofile-wg <microprofil...@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Summers Pittman
Sent: 02 November 2021 17:50
To: Microprofile WG discussions <micropr...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microprofile-wg] Proposal: Adjusting 2022 Budget
 
 
 
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 4:36 PM David Blevins <dble...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All,,
 
I'd like to propose we consider reducing the overall MicroProfile budget to something around 50k/year.  Here is a fee structure that could get us there with current membership.
 
Corporate Revenue
Fees 2021
Fees 2022
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $1 billion
$25,000.00
$10,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $100 million but less than or equal to $1 billion
$20,000.00
$8,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues greater than $10 million but less than or equal to $100 million
$15,000.00
$6,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues less than or equal to $10 million
$5,000.00
$4,000.00
Annual Corporate Revenues less than $1 million and < 10 employees
$1,500.00
$1,500.00
Total budget with all current members
$119,500.00
$56,500.00
 
 
There are a handful of motivations:
 
 - We've operated successfully for 5 years without budget
 - We have a 36k surplus we don't know what to do with and 2 months to spend it
 - The budget is a continuous source of conflict.  I sense we'd be overall happier with a more traditional open source "what we need is contributed" style
 - $110k of our 2021 came from Jakarta EE, which is looking at a $250k reduction in 2022 budget; $360k if $110k is again shifted away towards MicroProfile
 - We'll unlikely need or use an 80k to 90k surplus in 2022, this could go to Jakarta EE instead
 - Even at a reduced budget of 56k for MicroProfile 2022 there'll still be $30k available after G&A and Ops costs
 - Any needs above and beyond can be donated or contributed as-needed as has been the case over the last 5 years
 
We have our own reasons for there to be a lower budget; we don't use what we have and it generates conflict.  Given that and the reduced budget for Jakarta EE, there is an opportunity for a win-win if we get this done quickly while Jakarta EE budget discussions are still open.
 
Thoughts?
 
+1 and well said.
 
 
If people like this, we'd likely need to get this voted in the next two weeks.

 

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