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Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Please give feedback on removal of webservices as part of pruning javax.xml.rpc classes


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:41 AM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Scott and others,
Moving the jax-rpc tck to a separate repo is fine for "safe keeping", but I would not expect any updates to this since jax-rpc has very little use and it's being pruned from Jakarta EE.  The Spec and API for JAX-RPC are in the Stable API Project, so I'd either re-use the jax-rpc repo or create a new one.

If there are vendors who are still looking to support JAX-RPC, then that would have to be done at the Jakarta EE 8 level and that TCK would need to be used.  We are not defining any integration of Jakarta EE 9 features with the pruned Jakarta EE 8 features.

I'm not really sure if there are any vendors that would be interested, as no one stepped forward yet to express interest.  Mostly, I wanted to pause and take a moment to collect input, to make sure that others have a chance to speak up.  Very interesting about the Stable API Project, thanks for pointing that out! 

Thanks for pointing out that we are not defining any integration of Jakarta EE 9 features with pruned Jakarta EE 8 features.  That makes sense and I think aligns well with the big bang approach that we are taking.  I/we should stick to the guidelines that we are following, otherwise, it could take longer to achieve our goals.

If a Jakarta EE 9 implementation still supports JAXRPC, I'm not really sure of how they would test that at the Jakarta EE 8 level, unless they are able to fully test with an EE 8 implementation (which isn't really testing JAXRPC with EE 9).  Just pointing out this distinction, in case it helps those vendors in the future, to follow this discussion.

Scott
 


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From:        Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        jakartaee-tck developer discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        05/13/2020 09:49
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Please give feedback on removal of webservices as part of pruning javax.xml.rpc classes
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 8:52 AM Lance Andersen <lance.andersen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Scott,

One more thought is to pull the webservices test into their own TCK if there are  vendors who continue to provide JAXRPC support within their platform

That might be useful, as some of the webservices tests will require use of other Jakarta EE 9 technologies (e.g. jakarta.ejb.SessionBean instead of javax.ejb.SessionBean).

For the jaxrpc test folder, I think there will also be some jakarta.servlet changes, so in both cases, your idea would be useful, as the Jakarta EE 8 Platform would not likely work.

Does anyone else think that they would use a standalone JAXRPC TCK that contains the current jaxrpc tests + the webservices tests that depend on JAXRPC?  

Would JAXRPC not being part of Jakarta EE 9, mean the tests would need to be moved to a separate repo, so the JAXRPC standalone TCK could be released and maintained independently of the Jakarta EE Platform TCK 9.0.0?  


Best
Lance
On May 12, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Lance Andersen <lance.andersen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On May 12, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:10 PM Lance Andersen <lance.andersen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Scott,

I would consider making the tests configurable similar to how JAXRPC is and remove when JAXRPC is finally removed

We are supposed to remove the JAXRPC tests now (as per EE 9 release plan [1]).  Soon, we will no longer be able to reference javax.xml.rpc classes in the Jakarta EE 9 TCK source.  I think that the general concern was about removing any tests from the src/com/sun/ts/tests/webservices folder, in case they are expected to cover testing non-JAXRPC technologies.

I keep forgetting JAXRPC is finally being removed

From the keyword.properties [2], it looks like the answer is that the webservices source tree, only contains JAXRPC tests.  Sound right?

I believe these tests all reply on JAXRPC and based on a quick scan appears to be the case.

Scott

[1] https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/jakartaee-platform/jakartaee9/JakartaEE9ReleasePlan
[2] https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/blob/master/src/com/sun/ts/lib/harness/keyword.properties#L288



On May 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

Do you have feedback to share about removing webservices tests that reference (Jakarta XML RPC) javax.xml.rpc classes?  

Please see discussion + concerns raised on https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/210. 

In summary we are questioning whether to remove the webservices tests that reference javax.xml.rpc classes, versus ignoring them in EE 9, so that they might be refactored to do testing of something else in the future.

Your feedback is appreciated!

Scott
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