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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Retire EJB-Lite from web profile?
Hi,

As it's probably a decade long effort to actually prune it in every way, it might be a good idea to start the process now. 

It's perhaps a little like the Entity Beans and the EJB 2.x API group, as well as Corba and aspects of remote EJB, of which the process started around 2009. 13 years later, even just a few days ago, TCKs are still being adjusted for this.

GlassFish would likely not ship EJB-Lite if it was removed (as GF has historically never shipped a Web profile plus), and Piranha would likely not include EJB-lite in a web profile distribution (though may still provide EJB-Lite features in other distributions, some of which are dynamic (on demand loading of features).

More importantly, I think, is the signal that EJB (lite) is a stable technology intended for legacy workloads, and not so much for any new code.

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms






On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 1:01 PM Ondro Mihályi <mihalyi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have another question in mind.

Would some other runtimes that implement some Jakarta EE specifications, be interested in certifying against Web Profile if EJB lite was removed? I'm thinking about Quarkus here, which doesn't provide EJB but provides a lot of other Jakarta EE APIs. However, Quarkus would still miss support for example for CDI portable extensions, JSP, Jakarta Security, and probably some other things as well.

So, would removing EJB from Web Profile motivate more runtimes/frameworks to become Web Profile compatible? If not, should we aim to remove some more Web Profile features to make it easier to become compatible? Or is it enough to provide Jakarta Core profile and leave Web Profile as it is?


All the best,,
Ondro Mihalyi

Director, Jakarta EE expert
OmniFish - Jakarta EE Consulting & Support | www.omnifish.ee
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On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 10:48 AM Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Payara would still ship it in Web Profile until EJB was removed from Full profile.

 

From: jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Brian Stansberry
Sent: 11 August 2022 21:36
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Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Retire EJB-Lite from web profile?

 

WildFly would.


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Brian Stansberry

Principal Architect, Red Hat JBoss EAP

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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 2:14 PM David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Perhaps the best way to frame up this conversation is to get a simple yes/no answer from implementors.

 

Would you still ship EJB-lie if it was marked "not required, but still can be shipped"?

 

For us the answer is definitely, yes we would still ship it.

 

 



On Aug 8, 2022, at 7:12 AM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

With Concurrency being added to the web profile of Jakarta EE 10, and the focus in Jakarta EE 10 dramatically having shifted away from EJB and towards CDI, do we still need EJB-Lite in the web profile?

 

Obviously vendors can still add EJB-Lite to their web profile offering, just as the sole web-profile only product does today, but should EJB-Lite still be a requirement going forward for EE 11?

 

Thoughts?

 

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

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