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Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Review for approval: Jakarta EE Specification Committee Meeting Minutes - November 30th, 2022

Hi Scott,

I think our discussion was documented in issue #54. Please let me know otherwise. And yes it is expected that we would pick up on that topic in the next meeting. I see also that David appended 2 comments to the issue.

Thanks ... Paul


On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:26 PM Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I just wanted to note that we talked about changing the default expectation for optional features to not be included in Jakarta EE 11 unless otherwise specified in the profile spec (e.g. each profile spec would state that optional features are not included unless otherwise stated which I think is a change from prior releases).  Perhaps that should be on the next agenda to gather feedback.

Scott

On 12/7/22 1:43 PM, Paul Buck wrote:

The minutes for the November 30th Specification Committee call are below and are also available here. Please review and be ready for approval during our call on January 11th, our first call in 2023.
Jakarta EE Spec Committee - November 30th, 2022

Attendees (present in bold):


Kenji Kazumura - Fujitsu

Tom Watson - IBM - Emily Jiang

Ed Bratt - Oracle - Dmitry Kornilov

Andrew Pielage - Payara - Petr Aubrecht

David Blevins - Tomitribe - Jean-Louis Monteiro, Cesar Hernandez

Ivar Grimstad - PMC Representative

Marcelo Ancelmo - Participant Member -  Abraham Marin-Perez

Werner Keil - Committer Member

Scott Stark - Red Hat - Scott Marlow  Enterprise Member

Zhai Luchao -  Shandong Cvicse Middleware Co. - Enterprise Member

 

Eclipse Foundation: Tanja Obradovic, Wayne Beaton, Paul Buck (chair)


Past business / action items:

  • Approval is requested for the minutes from the November 16th, 2022 meeting as drafted - Approved.


Agenda:

  • Ongoing tracking spreadsheet of specifications progressing through the JESP version lifecycle

  • Ongoing work on and resolve Specification Committee’s process enhancements items including those identified in the Jakarta EE 10 retrospective:

    • Issues with the “enhancement” label are here 

    • Enhancement labeled issues in a project board is here 

See the issues in the board for updates

  • 11/15/22 Does the EFSP mandate that authoritative sources live within a specification project?  That is source input that ends up producing the final specification content [Tom]

    • API JAR’s are provided as a convenience, they are not normative. The JavaDoc and signature tests are part of the spec and therefore normative.

    • Is it a requirement that the sources used to create normative artifacts required to be managed as part of the specification project’s sources?

    • Is there a situation where a committer may have merged an artifact from sources outside of the project that has provenance elsewhere?

    • Is there a situation where there is a committer on an open source project that is not a committer on the specification project, where that committer has contributed to an artifact that is normative?

      • Scott Stark commented: This is the fundamental question given that implementation projects don't have a requirement that committers sign the specification working group agreement. If you think about this in terms of provenance as discussed in the current push for SBOMs, I don't think we want a situation where any source feeding into a specification project artifact is from a repo outside of the specification project.

    • Need to establish policy (if required) that apply to all specs

    • Wayne Beaton joined the meeting on November 30th to explore this topic further with the Specification Committee.

A discussion took place to help Wayne understand the situation, he will now consider it and consult with others in the Eclipse Foundation and update the committee at a later date.

  • Proposal - Cancel the next call scheduled for 12/14/22 … or is there a volunteer to chair the call? 

No objections were noted to cancel the call scheduled 12/14/22

  • Note: Biweekly call series to be created starting on 01/11/23 


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