Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] A/I from Steering Committee - updating P

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Since this topic
was discussed extensively on the Spec Committee call today, I wanted to
ensure that everybody on the Committee sees this exchange with Will and
others.  This note references the PR that I was mentioning on the
call.  I also put this PR into our minutes for today so that we can
all comment on it.  This can't wait until our next Spec Committee
call, so if you have comments or suggestions, let's discuss via this email
thread or, preferably, put comments in to the PR.  Thanks!

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Kevin Sutter 
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
e-mail:  sutter@xxxxxxxxxx     Twitter:  @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)    
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter



From:
       Kevin
Sutter/Rochester/IBM
To:
       will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
       Arjan
Tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxxxx>, David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Dmitry Kornilov <dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ed Bratt <Ed.Bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>,
Paul Buck <paul.buck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Steve Millidge
(Payara)" <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
       06/09/2020
15:43
Subject:
       Re:
[EXTERNAL] A/I from Steering Committee - updating Platform Project page
with release dates

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Might be easier
to discuss via a PR:  https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-platform/pull/208

This PR would
update this page with a TOC and a newly inserted Schedule section:  https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/jakartaee-platform/jakartaee9/JakartaEE9
We could then
update the Platform Specifications Page (https://jakarta.ee/specifications/platform/9/)
with a link to this page.

Note that I didn't
break it down into the specifics that your suggested list did since the
requirements for the PRs would indicate that the TCKs have successfully
been executed and using Java 11.  But, to help show that we want the
PRs to be staggered, I did outline the multiple waves of ballots, each
separated by one week.

Due to this tight
schedule, I see no way to do another Milestone release prior to the final.
 And, even if we had the time, I would question whether this is worthwhile
since the teams are currently working on getting Java 11 working, so they
know it's a priority once this Milestone is complete.

Is this aggressive?
 Certainly, but I don't think we have a choice.  We *have* to
push hard to get Jakarta EE 9 done and out the door by CodeOne.  If
we don't complete Jakarta EE 9 within one year of Jakarta EE 8, then we
might as well hang up the cleats (imho).

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Kevin Sutter 
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
e-mail:  sutter@xxxxxxxxxx     Twitter:  @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)    
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter




From:
       Kevin
Sutter/Rochester/IBM
To:
       will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
       Arjan
Tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxxxx>, David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Dmitry Kornilov <dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ed Bratt <Ed.Bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>,
Paul Buck <paul.buck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Steve Millidge
(Payara)" <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
       06/09/2020
14:13
Subject:
       Re:
[EXTERNAL] A/I from Steering Committee - updating Platform Project page
with release dates

---

Will,
Since just about
everybody you sent this note to is on the Platform team, I think you have
that action covered...  :-)

Your listed schedule
items aren't too bad.  A few tweaks in my mind, but you're close.
 Providing reasonable, achievable dates is going to be the tough ask.
 As you said, it's over the peak of summer vacations, both for US
and Europe.  Getting something ready for the Fall is definitely going
to be aggressive.

I can put something
in place, but it will be subject to change.  That is, all dates are
tentative.


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Kevin Sutter 
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
e-mail:  sutter@xxxxxxxxxx     Twitter:  @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)    
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter




From:
       will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx
To:
       Arjan
Tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>,
David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:
       Ed
Bratt <Ed.Bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>, Dmitry Kornilov <dmitry.kornilov@xxxxxxxxxx>,
Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Paul Buck
<paul.buck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Steve Millidge (Payara)"
<steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
       06/09/2020
13:12
Subject:
       [EXTERNAL]
A/I from Steering Committee - updating Platform Project page with release
dates

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Arjan/Kevin/David - 
You were the most vocal in discussing
this today.   Ccing others as well.  
We agreed to update this page:
https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/jakartaee-platform/jakartaee9/JakartaEE9
...with high-level milestone dates leading
up to the Jakarta EE 9 Platform release in September.
I assume the Platform team owns this
page.  Is that correct?
If so, rather than me requesting an update
to this page, would you be able to work with the Platform team to update
this?   
Simple is fine from my POV, for example:

• Milestone 1 release - June 23
• All components and component TCKs, GlassFish and Platform TCKs executing on JDK 11 - date
• Milestone 2 release?  - date
• All components passing TCKs and dev complete on JDK 11  - date
• All component specs submitted for ballot - date
• All component specs approved - date
• GlassFish passing TCKs and dev complete on JDK 11 - date
• Platform specs submitted for ballot - Sept 16?   Sept 2?
• Platform specs approved - Sept 30?   Sept 16 (target Livestream date)?

The
Platform team can own the right milestones and dates, but I think it would
be helpful to be realistic, now, about achievable dates, including factoring
in summer vacations, review periods for ballots, potential requirements
for multiple reviews, etc.  High level, if M1 is end of June, and
we stick to a Livestream event on Sept 16, that leaves about two months
during peak summer months to go from M1 on JDK 8 end of June, to all TCKs
passing on JDK 11 and all specs submitted for ballot on Sept 2.  
That seems aggressive.
Please confirm you will take this up
with the Platform team (or not).
Thanks
Will