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[jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Open Liberty compatibility issues

I'm not sure this is the right place for this discussion.  Please let me know if you think this should be moved to the platform-dev mailing list or elsewhere.

At the end of the Compatibility Certification Request for Open Liberty, it lists these issues:

Relevant challenges & resolution:
Signaturetest - Implemented work around to allow testing of remaining packages.
eclipse-ee4j/faces-api#1474
JSONB - Excluded tests.
eclipse-ee4j/jsonb-api#180
DI TCK requires SeContainer
javax-inject/javax-inject#39

Since we've committed that the Jakarta EE 8 TCKs will be identical to the Java EE 8 TCKs, we can't fix any of these issues in the TCKs for the Jakarta EE 8 release.  We can consider these as TCK challenges after the Jakarta EE 8 release is approved, and release updated TCKs to address the challenges per our process, soon after Jakarta EE 8.

Do you agree?


The first item in the list above is problematic...

It's a signature test issue.  For Java EE, we would release an alternate signature test, to allow products to pass either the original or updated signature test.  For Jakarta EE we decide we would not create alternate tests.  We can't exclude the signature test.  If we update the signature test, products that have passed the existing Jakarta EE 8 TCKs, and all Java EE 8 products, will fail the updated test and thus won't be Jakarta EE 8 compatible.

How would you like to handle such a case?


For the second item in the list above, it seems that we've agreed to exclude the challenged tests.  An updated version of the JSONB TCK can be produced soon after Jakarta EE 8.  We can use this as a test case for how to approve an update to a TCK without a corresponding spec update.

Can someone describe the process for approving a TCK update without a corresponding spec update?


The third item in the list above was filed only recently and hasn't been evaluated.  If I understand it correctly, the Dependency Injection TCK assumes that you have a "standalone" implementation of Dependency Injection, and can thus test it outside of a Jakarta EE container.  That's clearly not a requirement of Jakarta EE, nor of Java EE.  I assume this challenge was filed for Open Liberty because it doesn't not include a Dependency Injection implementation that can be used outside of the Jakarta EE containers.

WebSphere Liberty is Java EE 8 compatible, how did it run the Dependency Injection TCK?  Is Open Liberty using a different Dependency Injection implementation?

Converting the Dependency Injection TCK to be able to work inside a Jakarta EE container is likely a non-trivial task.  Excluding all of the Dependency Injection tests seems unacceptable.

How would you recommend that we address this test challenge?


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