Sure. I is not my intention to contravene Mike or any direction
      from Eclipse. Ultimately, it's their call. Certainly it will be
      good to have clear directions.
    
    
      
      Ed,
      Unfortunately, this was not
        clear...
         I really thought that Mike was putting the brakes on doing any
        type
        of release of Jakarta EE components until the agreements are
        finalized.
         I fully understand your approach outlined below that if no
        changes
        were done to the APIs, then we *should* be okay.  I didn't think
        Mike
        wanted to take that chance...  That's what I heard on these
        calls.
      
        ---------------------------------------------------
        Kevin Sutter 
        STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
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      From:      
         Ed Bratt
        <ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>
      To:      
         EE4J PMC Discussions
        <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>, David Blevins
        <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      Date:      
         08/16/2018 04:54 PM
      Subject:    
           Re: [ee4j-pmc]
        JAX-RS API Release
      Sent by:    
           ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
      
      
      
      David (and PMC):
      (Jumping in because Dmitry is on holiday.)
      I believe that these are the "equivalence"
          releases
          for Eclipse GlassFish 5.1. The goal with this first set of
          Eclipse Jakarta
          EE components is that they have exactly the same API
          compatibility as those
          used in GlassFish 5.0 (i.e. both are Java EE 8 compatible).  
      Since they will be tested and certified for
          compatibility,
          I believe that this is fully in compliance with the terms of
          the TCK agreements
          that are to be signed. Further, I think this is within the
          scope of agreements
          already in place since no specified APIs are changed.
      I have asked Oracle developers to perform TCK
          verification
          for any components ready for Eclipse Release Review before the
          TCK agreement
          with Eclipse Foundation is signed. The TCK agreement must be
          finished before
          we can finalize Eclipse GlassFish 5.1 and use any Java EE
          branding. We
          are working to complete that discussion.
      Once the agreement is in place, we can do this
          compatibility
          testing on Eclipse resources.
      I thought that we'd discussed this at Steering
          Committee,
          but perhaps not clearly enough. I'd be happy to answer
          additional questions,
          here in e-mail, or at the meeting.
      Cheers,
      -- Ed Bratt
      
        On 8/16/2018 2:32 PM, David Blevins wrote:
        It's a tough one.  My understanding of where
          we're
          at is that releasing code under the javax namespace will break
          the temporary
          contracts in place that explicitly forbid it.  Our chances of
          getting
          the contracts we want will likely not increase if we break the
          ones already
          made.  If Dmitry is asking for a release, then I'm out of the
          loop.
        
        
        It's a good thread and I'm also interested in how
          this
          goes.
        
        
        -- 
        David Blevins
        http://twitter.com/dblevins
          http://www.tomitribe.com
        310-633-3852
        
        On Aug 16, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          wrote:
        
        Hello PMC,
         
        the JAX-RS API team is currently
          preparing
          release 2.1.1 (i. e. EE4J_8). We do not have received neither
          TCK nor spec.
          We do not have an ageement with Oracle. We just have the API
          itself (Java
          source code). Dmitry filed an issue requesting an initial
          release. So does
          the PMC want us to…
         
        …release immediately even without
          TCK
          and spec?
        …wait until all of that is here
          and release
          then?
        …something else…?
         
        Thanks
        -Markus
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