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Re: [ee4j-community] ECF Unconference
Heiko,

Thanks for the reply and interest in helping the Unconference (I assume at ECE in Ludwigsburg more likely?;-) 
Take last year's ECE Unconference
https://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2017/unconference
as example. 

I guess you need a room and enough people interested in a certain topic, it is not as spontanous as the JavaLand "Lobby Day" I think you saw or heard about.
It would be great, if it worked, and should you like to propose something to ECE in Ludwigsburg related to MP Metrics, I'd be happy to join in on that. 
Some examples e.g. Emily with another speaker who has no company name (either it's missing or she is an Individual committer) this time show, it does not hurt to have a company name, but maybe it was too soon since Health or Metrics were last presented.
If there is a JNoSQL talk I can participate in or an Unconference day I can more easily take off, I'd be happy to go to Tolouse as well.
Otherwise having the only Jakarta EE/Java EE talk at DWX https://www.developer-week.de/categories/#/category/java my June is all but empty when it comes to conferences;-)

Werner




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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 16:34:20 +0200
From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Community Control was Jakarta EE logo
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Mike,

As mentioned also in the separate unconference thread, Jakarta EE was very
underrepresented at ECF, maybe because it simply came much too late to "the
party" for this conference or because other buzzwords like "Reactive",
"Responsive", "Microservices" or "Spring Boot" are more appealing than Java
EE to the program committee.

It would be great to see a similar Unconference day and track as many of us
did before JavaLand on Jakarta EE and the new WG. If not in Toulouse then
at least in Ludwigsburg.

Which do you see more realistic?

Werner


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> Hi Josh and all,
>
> Yes, @JakartaEE is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.
>
> Thank you,
> Stephanie
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I have seen a tweet recently from the handle @JakartaEE.  I wanted to
> > confirm if this is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.  If so,
> then
> > I will help to spread the word about following.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Josh Juneau
> > juneau001@xxxxxxxxx
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> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 16:22:52 +0200
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> Hi,
>
> Jakarta  EE may be still a bit too recent with the name only confirmed a
> few weeks ago, the logo not even decided on and various charters or WGs not
> yet writen in stone either, but since EclipseCon Unconferences have been
> there for the community and Working Groups for a few years now, are there
> any plans for the Jakarta EE WG at EclipseCon France Unconference?
> https://www.eclipsecon.org/france2018/unconference
>
> The true Java EE/Jakarta EE content among accepted sessions in the
> "Microsrervice/Microprofile/EE4J/Java EE" track
> https://www.eclipsecon.org/france2018/program/sessions/
> accepted?keys=&field_experience_value=All&field_
> session_type_tid=All&field_session_track_tid%5B%5D=1396
> Is extremely meager. Except JAX-RS not a single detail project, everything
> else is MicroProfile and 3 very high level management-pitch style talks. I
> held similar ones at JUG Meetings about Java EE 8 and the JUG members were
> not so happy I could not go into detail about individual features of Java
> EE 8, so judging from the abstracts none of these talks will be able to do
> that either.
>
> I don't recall if Otavio proposed it for the (seemingly empty) Data
> Analytics track of ECF or also the EE4J umbrella, but our JNoSQL proposal
> is at least on standby. Having had good experience with those Unconference
> days both in Toulouse and Ludwigsburg I would not mind to participate in
> that only if we don't have the JNoSQL talk in the main conference. In fact
> being an Individual committer I rarely get a whole week time to spend there
> anyway instead of with clients and their work.
>
> Regards,
>
> Werner
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> Thanks for the response Stephanie, it is appreciated.
>
> Best
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@xxxxxxxxx
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
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>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Stephanie Swart <
> stephanie.swart@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Josh and all,
> >
> > Yes, @JakartaEE is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Stephanie
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Josh Juneau <juneau001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I have seen a tweet recently from the handle @JakartaEE.  I wanted to
> >> confirm if this is the official Twitter handle for Jakarta EE.  If so,
> then
> >> I will help to spread the word about following.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Josh Juneau
> >> juneau001@xxxxxxxxx
> >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> >>
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> From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org>
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> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Community Control was Jakarta EE logo
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> On 2018-04-03 9:35 AM, Werner Keil wrote:
> > Looking at EclipseCon France talks, you may also be affiliated or
> > officially representing Cybercom now rather than a non-paying Individual?
> > https://www.eclipsecon.org/france2018/program/sessions/
> accepted?keys=metrics&field_experience_value=All&field_
> session_type_tid=All
> >
> > Based on a more corporate nature of Eclipse Foundation and its
> > reliance on donations also to particular projects and efforts (like
> > Jakarta EE) that sounds logical.
> > Only 2 or 3 primary speakers are not affiliated with a company which
> > also doesn't quite speak against the worries by Markus and other
> > members of the community regarding a pay-to-play (or pay-to-speak in
> > case of conferences) mentality.
> >
> > Of two proposals I was involved, the one Otavio (affiliated with
> > Tomitribe his contributions also show Tomitribe as the contributing
> > company) filed as primary speaker is at least still on "standby" while
> > the one I proposed as Individual primary speaker was turned down.
> >
> > Interestingly no dedicated Health or Metrics topic made it into the
> > program at all, but had e.g. Red Hat proposed one, I guess they may
> > have had better luck.
>
> Werner,
>
> All Eclipse Foundation conferences have independent Program Committees
> that are separate from the operations of the Eclipse Foundation. Their
> decisions about which talks are included in each conference are
> unrelated to any membership status. Where we have talks from our
> conference sponsors, they are clearly identified as such in the program.
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 17:03:31 +0200
From: "Heiko W. Rupp" <hrupp@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] ECF Unconference
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On 3 Apr 2018, at 16:22, Werner Keil wrote:
> either, but since EclipseCon Unconferences have been there for the
> community and Working Groups for a few years now,

I can't make it to ECF, but will for sure submit to ECE again.
What would it take to do/organise such a (1/2) day of unconference
for JakartaEE / MicroProfile?

Thanks
   Heiko


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