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Re: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
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John,From an Eclipse Working Group perspective,
there is only one working group being proposed -- EE.next Working Group.
And, this covers all of the EE4J projects. The term "working
group" may be overloaded in other contexts. But, the charter
being discussed is for a this particular working group for EE.next (Jakarta
EE).
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutterFrom:
"John D. Ament"
<john.d.ament@xxxxxxxxx>To:
EE4J community discussions
<ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>Date:
03/02/2018 05:07 AMSubject:
Re: [ee4j-community]
Charter Feedback - Establishing new projectsSent by:
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I'm not sure what you're implying there. Reading
the FAQ doesn't give me any inclination that there's a single working group
for the entire Jakarta EE vs a working group per related technology.
In addition, considering that the link charter is not to up to date with
what has been shared via email, I do have concerns over its completeness.
It was also heavily implied in other conversations (I've been involved
in) that there would be multiple working groups, so it seems odd to now
hear there's a single working group.JohnOn Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:47 PM Steve Millidge (Payara)
<steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:BTW I would recommend reading the Proposed Working Group
FAQ it clarified things a lot in my mind.https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/eclipse_ee_next_faq.php
From: ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx<ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of John D. Ament
Sent: 01 March 2018 21:15
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback -
Establishing new projects
So if a new working group is to be established, it would
just come through as a new project request?
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:58 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Overall, I agree with Steve's assessment.
But... I don't think it's up to the EE4J PMC to propose new projects.
Anybody can do an Eclipse project proposal. When a proposal is submitted,
a top-level project is selected. The PMC for that project will then
be notified and asked to review it. So, if somebody wants to create
a new EE4J sub-project, they could submit a proposal to the EE4J PMC, and
it would be evaluated. If the PMC approves it then it would be submitted
to the Eclipse team for provisioning of the new project.
For now, all of the "Java EE" projects are being proposed by
the EE4J PMC (specifically, Dmitry is doing most of that leg work, thank
you!). But, after Jakarta EE gets established, then I would not expect
that responsibility to fall on the PMC shoulders. We would become
a bottleneck if that were to happen. We need more participation from
the community and new project proposals would be part of that activity.
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620(office)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
From: "Steve
Millidge (Payara)" <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: EE4J community
discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/01/2018
12:37 PM
Subject: Re:
[ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
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Personal view here but my understanding is that it is for the PMC of the
EE4J top level project to decide on the creation of a new sub-project.
Again personal view my suggestion is get a bunch of people interested start
prototyping some code, drafting an api etc. Possibly in a sandbox repo
within EE4J. If it gets a level of traction ask the PMC for a formal sub-project.
When the new api has reached a level of maturity that it has an agreed
first cut API, TCK and Specs then it would be considered for inclusion
in the future overall Jakarta EE platform by the Working Group.
Personally I don’t see the WG getting involved until a level of maturity
is reached.
Others may have a different view as this is still all being worked out.
Steve
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On Behalf Of John D. Ament
Sent: 01 March 2018 18:18
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
While reviewing the charter (btw is there a public link somewhere to the
latest? I only see it via email) I had one question pop up.
How do new projects get established for the working groups?
Right now we have a slew of projects coming in from the initial donation,
at some point we're going to want to dive into newer technologies.
Some features may make sense to go into existing projects, but others may
make more sense to start to become their own project; with their own APIs,
specs and TCKs. Which committees are responsible for reviewing and
establishing these new projects, as well as determining the lines between
two projects?
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