+1 thanks Kevin your language is more accurate than mine.
When I wrote “decide on creation” I meant “review and evaluate the proposal”. Anybody can as Kevin writes propose a new project. Which is what I was trying to say in my second paragraph.
Absolutely we want the community to propose new projects as part of EE4J.
Steve
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Overall, I agree with Steve's assessment. But... I don't think it's up to the EE4J PMC to propose new projects. Anybody can do an Eclipse project proposal. When a proposal
is submitted, a top-level project is selected. The PMC for that project will then be notified and asked to review it. So, if somebody wants to create a new EE4J sub-project, they could submit a proposal to the EE4J PMC, and it would be evaluated. If the
PMC approves it then it would be submitted to the Eclipse team for provisioning of the new project.
For now, all of the "Java EE" projects are being proposed by the EE4J PMC (specifically, Dmitry is doing most of that leg work, thank you!). But, after Jakarta EE gets established, then I would
not expect that responsibility to fall on the PMC shoulders. We would become a bottleneck if that were to happen. We need more participation from the community and new project proposals would be part of that activity.
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Personal view here but my understanding is that it is for the PMC of the EE4J top level project to decide on the creation of a new sub-project.
Again personal view my suggestion is get a bunch of people interested start prototyping some code, drafting an api etc. Possibly in a sandbox repo within EE4J. If it gets a level of traction ask the PMC for a formal sub-project.
When the new api has reached a level of maturity that it has an agreed first cut API, TCK and Specs then it would be considered for inclusion in the future overall Jakarta EE platform by the Working Group.
Personally I don’t see the WG getting involved until a level of maturity is reached.
Others may have a different view as this is still all being worked out.
Steve
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While reviewing the charter (btw is there a public link somewhere to the latest? I only see it via email) I had one question pop up.
How do new projects get established for the working groups?
Right now we have a slew of projects coming in from the initial donation, at some point we're going to want to dive into newer technologies. Some features may make sense to go into existing projects, but others may make more
sense to start to become their own project; with their own APIs, specs and TCKs. Which committees are responsible for reviewing and establishing these new projects, as well as determining the lines between two projects?
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