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Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
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Max may be able to give a better answer.
IBM, Oracle and Red Hat was key drivers on WTP and related JavaEE
projects in past.
In another thread I mentioned I think it would be worth for the Jakarta
EE community
to look at working at doing tooling via the growing Language/Debug
Server Based approach
which would allow the work to be reused in multiple IDE's and editors.
This would allow for more community collaboration and enablement in my
mind.
/max
Mark.
On 28 Feb 2018, at 13:52, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
We can definitely try to do that, identifying it as a clear gap area.
One issue of course is that the current Java EE Guardians community
at least is very NetBeans heavy. The same may or may not be true of
the current broader Java EE community as well.
If it's not too stupid a question - besides IBM, who would the other
potential vendors be to stand behind Eclipse IDE Java EE support?
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-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Little <mlittle@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2/28/18 5:15 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
state of Java EE 8
I agree but unfortunately many non-Red Hat Eclipse IDE contributors
have dropped away. The community needs to step up and help or
convince other vendors to come back.
Mark.
On 27 Feb 2018, at 13:55, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
support in the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
Jakarata EE for the reasons stated.
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From: Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx <mailto:salvanos@xxxxxx>>
Date: 2/27/18 5:29 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
state of Java EE 8
Hi Ryan,
thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ as
the IDE for the consulters.
Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from the
public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
having integrating our server.
However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in the
market by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year by
the Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation,
it would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
Eclipse IDE.
Kind Regards,
Alex
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
Von: "Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rcuprak@xxxxxxxxx>>
An: "EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Betreff: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
state of Java EE 8
Hi Alexander,
Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support for
Java EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for
JavaScript is absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo
many years now. I would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in
the meantime recommend checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ
Ultimate. When I give Java EE training classes at work I always use
NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish (integrated).
Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to be
going pretty well.
Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
-Ryan
On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx
<mailto:salvanos@xxxxxx>> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
Oxygen) is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package" way
is offered.
When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been
offered in older versions.
We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because not
only does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most widely
used IDE for Java EE.
Best Regards,
Alex
Alexander Salvanos
Goebenstr.5
D-53113 Bonn
Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962
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