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Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J Project Proposals

Reza,

EE4J at the moment is merely a Top Level Eclipse project. There is this name search and the "Profile" or "Future EE Spec" may be a project under that umbrella or somewhere else. Technology where MicroProfile or JNoSQL sit are othr TLPs. JPA EclipseLink or JSON-B Yasson are currently under "Runtime", but unless this separation was desired and e.g. Eclipse Glassfish (not mentioned yet) better remained there, I would be surprised not to see EclipseLink or Yasson also move to the EE4J umbrella project. 

MicroProfile is what it is, a collection of Microservice Patterns along the lines of
http://microservices.io/patterns/index.html

There are patterns how to design your data storage, but nothing mandates if this should be JDBC, JPA, NoSQL or just flat files of your own choice.
Hence, JNoSQL makes no sense in MicroProfile. The discussion Kevin started in https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/microprofile/nosql%7Csort:date/microprofile/Uy-TwXuCEaM/2MfX5FzzCwAJ also came to a similar conclusion. 
With e.g. Rudy stating "Whether it should be using SQL or NoSQL, that is another discussion."

This "Profile" or "Feature Release" for a future EE stack does not yet exist. And like with other candidates, take especially JCache or MVC they may be included if they're ready, but that does not mean they are best placed under Technology where everything else lands by default. Neither EE4J nor MicroProfile have a formal incubator. If something like that was created, other projects might also qualify, but JNoSQL, EE4J (as Umbrella there are probably special cases, but everything that is now added certainly does) or MicroProfile are all still incubating at Eclipse, so regardless of the top level projects they are incubator projects. And unless they graduate maybe they won't be included in a future bundle or profile.

Werner




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Personally I don't think anything NoSQL should be added to EE4J quite yet. It is however perfect as a MicroProfile component or EE4J "incubator project". Both the Java EE Guardians and Oracle surveys show that developers do not see NoSQL being standardized as part of Java EE quite yet.
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-------- Original message --------From: Manik Magar <manik.magar@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 11/22/17  7:10 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J Project Proposals
+1 for adding JNoSQL API/Specs to EE4J umbrella.
Regards,Manik
On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As just mentioned on the JNoSQL list, the idea of JNoSQL or parts (in the spirit of separating spec/API and implementations that could be JNoSQL plus either Diana, Artemis or both) migrating under the EE4J Umbrella, seems like a very good and consequent idea, too.

Werner?


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? ?3. Re: EE4J Project Proposals (Mike Milinkovich)

? ?4. Re: EE4J Project Proposals (Ivar Grimstad)





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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:15:16 +0000

From: Guillermo Gonz?lez de Ag?ero? ? ? <z06.guillermo@xxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] EE4J Project Proposals

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Thanks Bill. I know this is a tough question, but do you have any stimated

date for the CTS to be publicly accesible?





Regards,



Guillermo Gonz?lez de Ag?ero



El mar., 21 nov. 2017 a las 19:08, Bill Shannon (<bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>)

escribi?:



> The intent is that the TCKs will be included in the spec-related projects.

>

> However, in almost all cases, the TCKs are currently bundled together in

> the Java EE platform TCK (CTS).? The CTS will be contributed to the Eclipse

> Foundation as a single project.? Work will need to be done by the community

> after the contribution to refactor the CTS so that each TCK can be moved

> into the corresponding spec project.

>

> Guillermo Gonz?lez de Ag?ero wrote on 11/21/17 9:52 AM:

>

> This is great news!

>

> Is the TCK included on the API project proposas, or will it go on other

> independent projects?

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Guillermo Gonz?lez de Ag?ero

>

> El mar., 21 nov. 2017 a las 17:34, Mike Milinkovich (<

> mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org>) escribi?:

>

>> All,

>>

>> I would like to draw your attention to fact that nine new EE4J project

>> proposals were recently posted on the Eclipse Foundation's proposal page

>> <https://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_activity.php>. This is the

>> first step to making the migration of Java EE to the Eclipse Foundation a

>> reality.

>>

>> The list of proposals is below. There are more details on the proposal

>> page <https://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_activity.php>, or on my blog

>> post

>> <https://mmilinkov.wordpress.com/2017/11/21/ee4j-progress-nine-new-projects-proposed-at-the-eclipse-foundation/>.

>>

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Eclipse Tyrus

>> Eclipse OpenMQ

>> Eclipse Grizzly

>> Eclipse Jersey

>> Eclipse RESTful Web Services API for Java

>> Eclipse Message Service API for Java

>> Eclipse WebSocket API for Java

>> Eclipse Mojarra

>> Eclipse JSON Processing

>>

>> --

>> Mike Milinkovich

>> mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org

>> (m) +1.613.220.3223 <+1%20613-220-3223>

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Mike - is there a plan to have convenience links from the EE4J project to

these (and any additional EE4J-related projects) for navigation purposes?



Regards,

Ian



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All,

I would like to draw your attention to fact that nine new EE4J project

proposals were recently posted on the Eclipse Foundation's proposal page.

This is the first step to making the migration of Java EE to the Eclipse

Foundation a reality.

The list of proposals is below. There are more details on the proposal

page, or on my blog post.

Thanks!

Eclipse Tyrus

Eclipse OpenMQ

Eclipse Grizzly

Eclipse Jersey

Eclipse RESTful Web Services API for Java

Eclipse Message Service API for Java

Eclipse WebSocket API for Java

Eclipse Mojarra

Eclipse JSON Processing

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Mike Milinkovich

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On 2017-11-21 1:22 PM, Ian Robinson wrote:

> Mike - is there a plan to have convenience links from the EE4J project

> to these (and any additional EE4J-related projects) for navigation

> purposes?



Yes. That is done as a matter of course once the projects are created.



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I like the idea of separating the standards from the implementation

projects to allow for multiple implementations of the same standard on

equal terms, even within the Eclipse Foundation.







On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:30 PM Mike Milinkovich <

mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:



> On 2017-11-21 1:22 PM, Ian Robinson wrote:

>

> Mike - is there a plan to have convenience links from the EE4J project to

> these (and any additional EE4J-related projects) for navigation purposes?

>

> Yes. That is done as a matter of course once the projects are created.

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