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RE: [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] E4 towards generic connectionmanagement (was: e4 beyond the ongoing UI conversations...)
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Thanks Brian!
There's just one point I'd like to make very clear from the
beginning:
For me, the main motivation for going towards connection
management
unification, is striving for improved usability and unified
user experience.
In case we'd find that unifying the architectures to a
point where it
actually becomes harder for users to handle there
use-cases, it
would be a failure.
But I'm looking forward to seeing your dog & pony
:-)
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical
Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project
Lead, DSDP PMC Member
Hi Martin!
Yes, I'll be happy to host a dog & pony show to
share everybody's wares. :)
Let me
see what I can pull together early next week as far as demo'able materials and
screen sharing (we can probably use my Microsoft Live Meeting account so long
as we're not talking too many folks, maybe < 20?) and then we can discuss
dates/times that might work for everyone...
I look forward to the discussion. I'm sure we can come
up with something that works across the board if we put our heads together and
re-use a bunch of stuff where it makes sense.
Thanks!
--Fitz
Brian
Fitzpatrick
Eclipse Data Tools Platform PMC Chair
Eclipse Data Tools
Platform Connectivity Team Lead
Staff Software Engineer, Sybase,
Inc.
"Oberhuber, Martin"
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| [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] E4
towards generic connection management
(was: e4 beyond the ongoing UI
conversations...) |
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Hi Brian,
this sounds like a great idea. I'm CC'ing Dave
Dykstal (DSDP-TM / RSE) and Scott
Lewis (ECF) here to broaden the discussion, as well as Doug Gaff from
the
DSDP PMC. For background,
see
http://wiki.eclipse.org/E4/Connection_Frameworks
I think
it would make sense if we prepare a conference / demo session to
understand what we all have. You
could showcase what DTP has, and I'd
also be interested to see Sybase vendor-specific extensions of the
DTP
framework used for other
kinds of connectivity. Others could probably also
kick in and make some demo of their stuff.
If that sounds
good to you, could you propose a meeting time and
Screen Sharing facility? I could offer using Wind River's
Webex
account but haven't used
it myself so far so I'm not sure how well
it would work for a shared demo session.
In order to also
add the technical aspect of DSDP-TM, we do have
a lot of re-usable widgets, wizards and views for generic
kinds of
connections and the
resources below them. But our code pre-dates
the Common Navigator, so we don't have a CN integration
yet.
And, the kinds of
connections that we've been managing are biased
towards TCP/IP so they are not quite as generic as they
could be.
We do, however, have a
concept of system types with pluggable
subsystem kinds which proved quite usable so far.
I fully agree that
in a world where the "Network" is becoming more
important than the local client, a generic approach for the
user to
manage connections of
all kinds will simplify user experience
(and help reducing code duplication and bloat).
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical
Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP
PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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Subject:
[eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] e4 beyond the ongoing UI
conversations...
Hi all...
Though I appreciate all the great discussion going on around e4
and the UI work being done (though most of it is beyond me, not being an
HTML/CSS guy, I do find it fascinating), I was wondering if there is room in
e4 to focus on other parts of the Eclipse ecosystem as well.
One of the issues IMHO
across some of the major Eclipse projects is the issue of cross-project
integration. This is especially evident (to me anyway) in terms of connection
frameworks.
The Eclipse ecosystem has many different types of
"connection" frameworks. The CVS (Eclipse Platform), Remote Systems Explorer
(DSDP-TM), Web (WTP), Communications (ECF), and Database Development (DTP)
perspectives all have their own server/system connection management user
interfaces and connection frameworks. WTP has been working with DTP to handle
management of database connections, which is great, but it's just the tip of
the iceberg.
Within e4, we have a chance to settle on a common framework for
connection management and its associated UI. This would not only help out the
user with a common look and feel across the Eclipse ecosystem for connecting
to various systems, but it would allow adopters and extenders to take
advantage of this common framework so they too would fit into the
Eclipse-iverse more seamlessly to their own users.
The connection framework within
DTP, though used primarily for JDBC database connections at this point, has
been used with great success in many other ways by Sybase products to connect
to file systems, application servers, UDDI and LDAP repositories, and so on. I
think it has great potential to fill the need for a common connection
framework in e4.
However, integrating will the other projects in Eclipse will be
tricky at best and require a great deal of collaboration from many interested
parties.
Do
others see this as a problem that could be addressed within the e4 timeframe?
Or am I way out of scope with this suggestion?
Thanks
--Fitz (aka Brian
Fitzpatrick)
Brian Fitzpatrick
Eclipse Data Tools Platform PMC
Chair
Eclipse Data Tools Platform Connectivity Team Lead
Staff Software
Engineer, Sybase, Inc._______________________________________________
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