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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CVS access to Orbit
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The community hardship angle is getting rather overplayed. Ok, so the user
sees a reference to CVS and it doesn't work. What are they going to do next?
Go to project website, perhaps, where they see a notice that source is now
in Git. If they don't end up on the website, maybe they ask a question on
the forum. After a few people ask this question, Google is going to know the
answer.
So the user spends a couple of extra minutes researching the source repo,
but in return they end up looking at the repo that's in use instead of
something that's dead.
- Konstantin
-----Original Message-----
From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed
Willink
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:47 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CVS access to Orbit
Hi
But the whole ethos of Eclipse is Open Source. We make our source available.
We encouarge users to read and copy. Of course our documentation referred to
CVS.
I am really amazed that we allow one of our outstanding achievements to be
destroyed for such a trivial reason.
Regards
Ed Willink
On 15/01/2013 16:37, Shawn Pearce wrote:
> Maybe the product documentation shouldn't be pointing to committer
resources?
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Ed Willink<ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> But how could authors of Helios documentation change their
>> documentation to use GIT?!!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ed Willink
>>
>>
>> On 15/01/2013 16:26, Campo, Christian wrote:
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> I totally understand your point and frustration.
>>>
>>> However havnt we all been warned by Wayne in numerous emails that
>>> "CVS will be shutdown" at the 21st December 2012 for over one year now.
>>>
>>> CVS shutdown is not the same thing as "set to readonly".
>>>
>>> So I think if that was a concern it should have been brought up way
>>> earlier.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents
>>>
>>> Christian Campo
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von
>>> Ed Willink
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 17:20
>>> An: Cross project issues
>>> Betreff: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CVS access to Orbit
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> December 21st was the end of the world as far as committer CVS write
>>> access was concerned.
>>>
>>> However it was not the end of the world as far as user CVS read
>>> access was concerned.
>>>
>>> A variety of examples and documentation describe fetching code from CVS.
>>> It is not feasible
>>> to rewrite such text within Helios/Indigo/Juno distributions taht
>>> are still in use.
>>>
>>> It is also a major pain for us committers. For instance, when a
>>> Bugzilla report refers to line 45 of version 1.9 of a file; without
>>> viewcvs, it takes significantly longer to identify the line in question.
>>>
>>> There seems absolutely no benefit in retracting this useful facility
>>> and breaking functionality upon which the current Juno release
>>> documentation depends.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ed Willink
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2013 15:14, Doug Schaefer wrote:
>>>> While Denis is pealing himself off the ceiling, I'll chime in.
>>>> Isn't this all in git now? I thought Orbit was the only thing
>>>> officially left in CVS.
>>>>
>>>> :D
>>>>
>>>> On 13-01-15 10:08 AM, "Ed Willink"<ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> /cvsroot/modeling etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed Willink
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/01/2013 14:58, Denis Roy wrote:
>>>>>> What other repositories? The only CVS repo I know of is Orbit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/15/2013 03:36 AM, Ed Willink wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Denis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks. CVS from PSFs works again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we now have an anonymous CVS server for Orbit, can we please
>>>>>>> restore the anonymous CVS access for the other repositories too
>>>>>>> so that Helios, Indigo, Juno facilities work again for ordinary
users?
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed Willink
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/01/2013 22:29, Denis Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've re-enabled pserver CVS for /cvsroot/tools. I'm hoping
>>>>>>>> someone can try it out, since my modern-day computer doesn't
>>>>>>>> ship with cvs :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/14/2013 03:36 PM, Ed Willink wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that CVS has been preserved for Orbit, at
>>>>>>>>> least temporarily, but anonymous access has not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How am I expected to rewrite PSF fetches (for use by ordinary
>>>>>>>>> users) such as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <provider id="org.eclipse.team.cvs.core.cvsnature">
>>>>>>>>> <project
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> reference="1.0,:pserver:anonymous@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:/cvsroot/too
>>>>>>>>> ls, org.e
>>>>>>>>> clipse.orbit/lpg.runtime.java,lpg.runtime.java,v2_0_17"/>
>>>>>>>>> </provider>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed Willink
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