Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Questionabout theBranding requirement for

[David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Darn (also) ... I had already convinced myself the EAC could handle under the guise of "improved Usability for the end user" :)
But, yes, it is on the PC agenda for Sunday, so we'll come up with some very exact rules to tell everyone exactly what to do ...
then you can all repeat just how wrong we are and how you all have some better ideas. :)

I do appreciate the discussion, though, and hope someone ... a volunteer? ... can summarize the current state and plans of Projects that have plans.

Thanks,



mike.milinkovich---03/19/2009 07:16:44 PM---Darn, I could have sworn I read that somewhere. Regardless, the only thing I care about is that from

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Date:	03/19/2009 07:16 PM
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Darn, I could have sworn I read that somewhere. Regardless, the only thing I care about is that from a branding perspective, all of the provider names for Eclipse projects start with “Eclipse”.The others on this list or on the PC can decide the rest of the convention.

Mike Milinkovichmike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx+1.613.220.3223 (mobile)

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From: "Oberhuber, Martin" 
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:40:41 +0100
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Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Questionabout theBranding requirement for Galileo

Ahem, cough....

... this was a release train requirement which I'd love to leave in the PC's hands.

Unless they want to consult with the AC... but architecturally, it doesn't seem to be all that relevant to me. It's just a name, and its effect on the community is more in the marketing / shipping / bundling realm which the PC deals with.

Cheers,
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Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
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From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 22:55
To: Oberhuber, Martin; 'Cross project issues'; mik.kersten@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Questionabout theBranding requirement for Galileo

Actually, I will retract my last statement.
 
I believe that the EAC has it on its agenda to discuss the naming convention. The only thing I care about is that from a branding perspective, all of the provider names for Eclipse projects start with “Eclipse”. The rest of the naming convention I will leave to the EAC’s capable hands, including what to do with the eponymous Eclipse Project.
 
My apologies for any confusion I may have caused.
 
Mike Milinkovich
Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228
Mobile: +1.613.220.3223
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
 
From: Oberhuber, Martin [mailto:Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: March-19-09 5:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Questionabout theBranding requirement for Galileo
 
AFAIK it was said that "major projects" should have differing provider names only.
Or do we change this now to allow separate provider for every project?
 
Cheers,
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Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 22:08
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Worksforme. 
 
Although, I am not sure what we’re going to do with the Eclipse guys. “Eclipse Eclipse – JDT” doesn’t sound right. Anyone have a nice solution for that one?
 
Mike Milinkovich
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From: Mik Kersten [mailto:mik@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: March-19-09 4:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question about theBranding requirement for Galileo
 
-1 on trailing every name with “Project” since it will be redundant and make it harder to scan the list, which will already have “Eclipse” at the start of each line.  
 
Also, it would be nice if the naming were consistent with the project listing that comes from the metadata: http://www.eclipse.org/projects/listofprojects.php  
 
To help reflect the project structure in the About dialog, which can easily be sorted by “Provider”, we could prefix the listings with the top level project names, e.g.:

· Eclipse EMF – Model Development Tools (MDT)
· Eclipse Tools – PHP Development Tools (PDT)
· Eclipse Tools – Orbit

Mik
 
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Mik Kersten
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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question about theBranding requirement for Galileo
 
My request is that everyone use “Eclipse” in front of every provider name. Not “Eclipse.org”. Eclipse is our brand.
 
I do not have a strong opinion on whether it should be “DTP Project” or “Data Tools Platform Project”. The latter feels more informative, but I would defer to the collective wisdom here.
 
Mike Milinkovich
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Mobile: +1.613.220.3223
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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Oberhuber, Martin
Sent: March-19-09 1:48 PM
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Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question about theBranding requirement for Galileo
 
Some time last year, there was a recommendation to use
 
   Eclipse DSDP Project
   Eclipse DTP Project
   Eclipse CDT Project
   ...
 
but now we have
 
   Eclipse.org - Equinox
 
I agree with John that a clear naming convention would be good.
 
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm

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Sent: Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 18:11
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Please disregard this... I sent it before seeing Mike M's clarification email.

John Arthorne/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
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It would have been nice for the planning council to give a more specific recommendation for the plugin "provider name". I'm worried we'll end up with a real mixed bag of naming conventions that will look unpolished when mixed together (inconsistent in capitalization, etc). For what it's worth, we ended up using "Eclipse.org - Equinox" for the Equinox project. Having "Eclipse" in there still seemed valuable for end users who might not be familiar with Eclipse project code names. If an end user sees "Data Tools Platform" as the provider, I'm not sure they will make the connection to an Eclipse project by that name...

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Hi all...

Was running through the list of requirements for Galileo and we're down to the Branding must-do requirement for Galileo in DTP. After chatting with David Williams a bit yesterday, it seemed like a good idea to bounce these questions to the cross projects list to see if anyone had any suggestions. :)

The "Branding" requirement states: "Each major project (as determined by participating PMCs) should have an About dialog icon with descriptive text (e.g. provider name = "Eclipse Modeling Project" and not simply Eclipse.org) and contribute to the welcome page."

To address this requirement, we're going to follow the example provided in the description and change "Eclipse.org" to "Data Tools Platform" for all of the DTP plug-ins and features as the provider name. Easy enough.

However, none of us in DTP are graphic artists (by any stretch of the imagination), so we're hoping we can continue to use the same icon used by the Eclipse Platform for our About dialog icon in Galileo. (That is unless someone on the list has some graphic design, some time, and a fantastic idea for a custom DTP icon. :) ) Though lame, using the older icon should address the requirement and we can try and find a graphic designer in the next release to update our look and give it a stylish new icon.

The final part of the requirement is to contribute to the welcome page. I'm guessing this is the general platform welcome page, since DTP also has its own welcome page that comes up sometimes. (I'm not exactly sure of what the rules are about why/how that page appears sometimes and not others, but I'm guessing there's a pattern there I'm just not seeing.) That said, we would like to contribute to the main welcome page if DTP is installed, but have no idea how to do that.

David mentioned that there are some "easy to use" extension points, but I'm curious if it's been documented what exactly we're supposed to contribute to meet this requirement and how we're supposed to do that. Any ideas, links, suggestions, and so on would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

--Fitz

Brian Fitzpatrick
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