RE: [aspectj-dev] IntelliJ IDEA 5 open API

["Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx>]

Thanks for pointing that out Alex.  So their support would be pretty
important.  On another note, if they get serious about MPS
(http://www.jetbrains.com/mps/) then AspectJ could be a good candidate for
them to try and support.  Could be worth suggesting if we ever chat with
Sergey or others.

Mik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: aspectj-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:aspectj-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alexandre Vasseur
> Sent: August 17, 2005 12:38 AM
> To: AspectJ developer discussions
> Subject: Re: [aspectj-dev] IntelliJ IDEA 5 open API
> 
> Mik,
> as per http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/opensource.html
> you can get a license for free for open source project development
> (f.e. CodeHaus has an agreement for all its projects hosted there) -
> but you don't gain access to the IDE sources itself - which indeed
> makes it more difficult to dive in as compared to Eclipse. That said
> f.e. the javascript plugin sources are available as far as I know.
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> On 8/16/05, Mik Kersten <beatmik@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > That statement comes from my experience building the JBuilder plug-in,
> which
> > had open and well documented extensibility APIs.  But when you're trying
> to
> > do something like AspectJ, which simply doesn't fit into the
> extensibility
> > model, it's way harder to do it without open sources.  But the source is
> > still not enough because the NetBeans plug-in was way harder to do than
> the
> > Eclipse one.  To be easily extensible the IDE also has to be built on
> its
> > own extensibility APIs and plug-in model.
> >
> > I actually really like IDEA because the UI is so elegant and nicely
> tuned.
> > I'm also encouraged by their statement that they're now building on
> their
> > own open APIs.  And just now noticed that it is possible to get the
> sources
> > for non-commercial purposes:
> > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/opensource/opensource.html
> >
> > So there is some promise there.  But Alex, I think you bring up the key
> > point regarding the @AspectJ approach.  Last time that the IntelliJ guys
> > tried to add AspectJ I recall them doing it by directly extending their
> > parser/ast to support the AspectJ declarations, which required too much
> > disruption and resources, especially with the need to do Java 5 around
> that
> > same time.  So they gave up.  Perhaps once @AspectJ has had some user
> > mileage on it in AJDT we should consider pinging them?  We could also
> > encourage someone from their user community to do it, but again, without
> a
> > genuinely open platform it will likely be too hard to do it without
> their
> > support.
> >
> > Mik
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aspectj-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:aspectj-dev-
> > > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alexandre Vasseur
> > > Sent: August 16, 2005 1:11 AM
> > > To: AspectJ developer discussions
> > > Subject: Re: [aspectj-dev] IntelliJ IDEA 5 open API
> > >
> > > Hi Mik
> > >
> > > I don't know how you back up the statement "nowhere near Eclipse's
> > > openness". IDEA certainly lacks decent documentation about plugins
> > > support and API. The v5 though is a great step forward - though most
> > > of the API was already there for v4.x...
> > >
> > > There has been an AspectJ extension for IDEA v4.x that was done by the
> > > JetBrains folks - but this one never reached an "official" status. The
> > > OpenAPI was around as well - under some "try it and tell us what you
> > > think" umbrella. Perhaps someone will finally volunteer to do one full
> > > blown AspectJ 5 plugin for IDEA v5.x. From my experience it would be
> > > really straigthforward to do one that supports @AspectJ (ie no custom
> > > parser) - though some features are still missing (f.e. custom code
> > > completion handler in know file types). For the ".aj" parsing, the
> > > IDEA plugin mechanism requires to write a lexer/parser and I am not
> > > sure the work that has been done in the AspectJ version of the JDT
> > > could be reused.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > On 8/15/05, Mik Kersten <beatmik@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fyi, it looks like support for JSP and JavaScript has made IDEA a
> bit
> > > more
> > > > extensible.  Obviously nowhere near Eclipse's openness, but it's
> nice
> > > that
> > > > they are considering language extensibility.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/newfeatures.html#openapi
> > > >
> > > > IntelliJ IDEA 5.0 expands and improves the Open API, making custom
> > > plugin
> > > > development easier, faster, and more powerful for developers and
> > > > third-parties. Many of IntelliJ IDEA's new features are implemented
> > > using
> > > > the Open API, which shows just how much is possible with plugins in
> > > IntelliJ
> > > > IDEA 5.0.
> > > >
> > > > Plugin development support: A new Plugin Module is available,
> together
> > > with
> > > > a Plugin Run/Debug configuration dialog, for easier development,
> > > running,
> > > > and debugging of IntelliJ IDEA plugins
> > > > Language API: Many of IntelliJ IDEA's smart language features are
> now
> > > > available to other languages through the new Language API (e.g. the
> new
> > > > JavaScript support uses the Language API). A plugin writer can
> define a
> > > > lexer/parser, reference resolution algorithm, and custom validators
> to
> > > > enable:
> > > >
> > > > Find usages
> > > > Rename refactoring
> > > > Goto declaration
> > > > View declaration (Ctrl + Shift + I)
> > > > Code completion
> > > > Safe delete
> > > > On-the-fly errors/warnings annotations plus quickfixes and intention
> > > actions
> > > > And much more
> > > > Dozens of other improvements to open up IntelliJ IDEA's architecture
> for
> > > > extension
> > > >
> > > > Mik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > http://kerstens.org/mik
> > > >
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