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Re: [wtp-pmc] Fwd: [Bug 510140] [restructure] datatools CollapseDataTools and turn it into a (Web) Tools subproject

I, of course, don’t have any issue with WTP PMC discussing things affecting WTP, but I am concerned that the result of these discussions that are not open to the general contributor community end up pre-determining the outcome. See the title of the bug that Wayne has opened.


I feel strongly that only those that are actively contributing have a voice in the direction of a project.


So, if I might suggest an alternate topic of discussion… Perhaps WTP PMC can focus of finding resources to keep this project alive. Once potential contributors are identified, they can congregate in an open forum, invite other contributors and proceed with the process of rebooting the project.


To be clear, the pressing DTP matter that’s currently blocking WTP and has blocked it in the past has nothing to do with how the project is organized, so let’s not get sidetracked.


- Konstantin



From: Neil Hauge
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:45 PM
To: konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)
Subject: Re: [wtp-pmc] Fwd: [Bug 510140] [restructure] datatools CollapseDataTools and turn it into a (Web) Tools subproject




As WTP is of course a major consumer of DTP, it behoves us to discuss what would be in the best interests of WTP.   The discussion should of course be open and archived, which is possible via either communication channel that I mentioned.  I 100% agree that in general, a wider discussion should happen on cross-project about the future of DTP so that the entire community can participate in that larger discussion.  Not sure if Wayne, Brian P, or someone else should start that thread.  I'm surprised that this hasn't happened yet.


I also agree that the question of who will contribute is the main question.  Ultimately, I would think the project contributors would have a large voice in determining where the project ends up.  I think the best choice should be determined by what is best for the long term health of the project, and my mind is open on that question.





On Jan 10, 2017, at 4:21 PM, konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:


It would be best to discuss the future of DTP in an open and achievable forum, such as dtp-dev mailing list or in the bug that Wayne opened with a post on cross-project indicating that such discussion is going on. 


Ultimately, the #1 question ought to be is who will contribute to this project going forward. Once that question is settled, the location and structure of the project should be up to that crew to devise.


- Konstantin



From: Neil Hauge
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:58 PM
To: WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)
Subject: [wtp-pmc] Fwd: [Bug 510140] [restructure] datatools Collapse DataTools and turn it into a (Web) Tools subproject




We probably need to discuss where DTP should end up in more detail.  I think there are pros and cons to it being inside or outside of WTP.  Not sure we covered this is much detail in previous discussion.  Perhaps we should schedule an ad-hoc meeting given the time window we are working with, or discuss over email if a meeting isn't possible.



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Subject: [Bug 510140] [restructure] datatools Collapse Data Tools and turn it into a (Web) Tools subproject

Date: January 10, 2017 at 3:40:11 PM EST
Product/Component: Community / Proposals and Reviews

--- Comment #2 from Brian Payton <bpayton@xxxxxxxxxx> ---
The Tools or Technology PMCs are certainly valid choices, but WTP as a home for
DTP is not so odd. When the DTP project was started, back in 2005, one of the
main sources for the initial code contributions was the WTP RDB sub-project. 
The Database Explorer, Table browser, and a lot of the connectivity code came
from there.  Once the DTP project became established, the WTP RDB project was
deprecated. So, in a sense, a move under WTP would be a return to DTP's roots

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