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| AW: [wtp-pmc] Fw: [wtp-dev] Minutes of the WTP Status Telecon,	2006-05-18 | 
+1 for Chris proposal
 
Jochen
Tim, David, Jochen, Arthur, Naci and 
Raghu, I was unable to attend the WTP 
status meeting yesterday, but from a chat with Kathy and reading the minutes, I 
understand the question of PMC approval for RC4 came up. I'm of much same opinion as Kosta's. At latest count, we 
have 26 candidates for WTP 1.5, and 16 candidates for WTP 1.5.1 (and, FYI, we have started using the Status Whiteboard 
field to track our candidates). I don't know whether this is a relatively large, 
or small, number; however, the majority of these bugs are what I'd characterize 
as usability and functional bugs that individually are not critical (most are 
normal or major), but that collectively might leave the impression of 
questionable quality - a subject of general concern. I don't want to suggest we abandon PMC approval entirely, 
but don't relish the idea of a process involving a minimum 24-hour voting cycle 
to get fixes into the build. My two cents' worth is for component leads to 
judiciously approve bugs for commit/release, include appropriate impact/risk 
assessments in the bugs, and have the PMC "post-approve" - meaning if the PMC 
disagrees with a bug that has been committed/released - hopefully a rare case - 
the component team in question can always reverse the fix. There are my thoughts on it for now. I'm out on vacation 
until May 29, so in my absence, Kathy is acting component lead for Web 
services. Thanks much, 
Cheers - CB.
Chris Brealey
Senior 
Advisory Technical Manager, Rational Java Web Services, IBM Canada 
Ltd.
D3-275, D3/ENX/8200/MKM, 8200 Warden Avenue, Markham, Ontario, Canada, 
L6G 1C7
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          | Subject | [wtp-dev] Minutes of the WTP Status 
            Telecon, 2006-05-18 |  
 
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See WTP Status Telecons [1] for more 
information. 
[1] 
http://eclipse.org/webtools/development/status-telecons/index.html 
Attendees 
Ted 
Bashor 
Chuck 
Bridgham 
Kathy 
Chan 
Keith 
Chong 
Nitin 
Dahyabhai 
Tim DeBoer 
Larry Dunnell 
Rob Frost 
Larry Issacs 
Konstantin Komissarchik 
John Lanuti 
Lawrence Mandel 
Kate Price 
Tim Wagner 
David Williams 
Amy Wu 
Minutes 
1. Actions 
Items - Lawrence Mandel
Active Items 
The following actions items showed some activity last week. [1] 
  
  
    |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | 
    | 136716 | nor | P3 | PC | csalter@xxxxxxxxxx | CLOS | FIXE | [action] XML: Review and identify changes in WTP 1.5 
      that... | 
    | 136717 | nor | P3 | PC | katep@xxxxxxxxxx | CLOS | FIXE | [action] WS: Review and identify changes in WTP 1.5 that 
      ... | 
3 bugs found. 
Open 
Items 
The following action items are 
currently open [2]. Action items owners should update their status in Bugzilla prior to the 
status telecon. Thx. 
[action] Konstantin - document the workaround 
in the bug and move it off the list. Also confirm that this problem will be 
addressed in 2.0. 
*note: this action does not have a corresponding bugzilla 
entry 
Kosta: Done.
[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=casesubstring&short_desc=%5Baction%5D&product=Web+Tools&chfieldfrom=7d&chfieldto=Now 
[2] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=casesubstring&short_desc=%5Baction%5D&product=Web+Tools&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED 
2. WTP 1.0.3 
Status - David Williams 
David: I have not restarted the build. The build 
will likely resume this weekend once RC3 is done. Naci and I have some changes 
to make this Friday.
Ted: Are we planning to have an official 1.0.3 smoke 
tested build each week?
David: I think we should do a weekly Ibuild with 
smoke tests starting next week. 
2.1 WTP 1.0.3 approved bugs [1] - 
Lawrence Mandel 
[1] 
http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/1.0.3/ramp-down-bugs-approval.html 
3. WTP 1.5 
Status 
3.1 WTP 1.5 Build Status - 
David Williams 
David: An RC3 candidate is available that 
component teams should currently be smoke testing. There have been some small 
doc changes since the build that will require a respin but there is no need to 
smoke test again. Does anyone need a rebuild?
Chuck: We currently have lots 
of exceptions when running our JUnit tests that have to do with validation jobs 
closing before the tests are finished. Although this is not something users will 
hit as the problems are with the tests themselves we've cleaned up a bunch of 
the tests and would like to get them in. We'd also like to get another defect in 
that fixes a problem with classpaths.
Keith: 140813 is a major regression. We 
have a fix and are requesting a respin.
David: We will respin today. We'll 
start the build at 5pm EST. 
Kosta: The process for RC4 requires PMC approval 
for fixing bugs. I don't think we're at that point yet. There are many more 
quality bugs that need to be fixed.
Lawrence: I propose that component leads 
discuss this with their teams and bring concerns to the PMC by sending mail to 
wtp-pmc or joining the PMC call on Tuesday. This item will be added to next 
week's PMC call. 
3.2 WTP 1.5 Hot Bugs [1] - 
Lawrence Mandel
[1] 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=%5Bhotbug%5D&classification=WebTools&product=Web%20Tools&target_milestone=1.5%20M4&target_milestone=1.5%20M5&target_milestone=1.5%20M6&target_milestone=1.5%20RC1&target_milestone=1.5%20RC2&target_milestone=1.5%20RC3&target_milestone=1.5%20RC4&target_milestone=1.5%20RC5&target_milestone=1.5%20RC6&target_milestone=1.5.1%20M151&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED 
3.3 WTP 1.5 Hot Bug Requests 
[1] - Lawrence Mandel 
[1] 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=%5Bhotbug_request%5D&classification=WebTools&product=Web%20Tools&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED 
3.4 P1 Bugs [1] - Lawrence 
Mandel 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?classification=WebTools&product=Web+Tools&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&priority=P1 
3.5 Blocking Bugs [1] - 
Lawrence Mandel 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?classification=WebTools&product=Web+Tools&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker 
3.6 Bugs to be Triaged [1] - 
Lawrence Mandel 
We're down to 72 bugs to triage (as of 1:05pm EST May 18, 2006). 
Great work! Keep it up. There are still bugs that were opened over a year ago 
that are assigned to 
inboxes.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?classification=WebTools&product=Web+Tools&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=inbox 
3.7 Bugs Targeted to Past 
Milestones/Release Candidates [1] - Lawrence Mandel 
There are currently 74 bugs targeted 
to 1.5 M4, 1.5 M5, 1.5 M6, 1.5 RC1 and 1.5 RC2. These milestones and release 
candidates have already been declared. Please retarget these bugs. 
Kathy: WS currently uses M6 as a way of 
identifying that changes should be made in 1.5 but that we do not know the 
specific RC.
Lawrence: A target should only be assigned once the specific 
milestone in known.
Tim: It appears that we intended to fix a lot of defects 
in M6 but were unable to. I've also noticed a lot of bugs where the target is 
simply rolled up on every milestone release.
David: There is a new field in 
bugzilla called the "status whiteboard". This can be used for any information 
your teams need to add to bugs for your own queries.
[1] 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=WebTools&product=Web+Tools&target_milestone=1.5+M4&target_milestone=1.5+M5&target_milestone=1.5+M6&target_milestone=1.5+RC1&target_milestone=1.5+RC2&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= 
4. Other Business - 
Open 
No other business. 
Lawrence Mandel
Software 
Developer
IBM Rational Software
Phone: 905 - 413 - 3814   Fax: 905 - 
413 - 4920
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