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Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel

Title: Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
Yep,

It can be found here:
https://eclipsecon.greenmeetingsystems.com/submissions/view/130

Bob


On 11/15/07 12:26 PM, "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Have you submitted the proposal yet?

Mik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
> best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> Fraser
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:38 AM
> To: UI Best Practices Working Group
> Cc: 'Bjorn Freeman-Benson'
> Subject: Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
>
> I would be most happy to lead the panel.  I will get the proposal
> started.
>
>
> On 11/13/07 8:27 AM, "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Given recent dialog, I'm pretty sure that we have learned how to be
> > controversial :)  All we need is someone to argue that UI Best
> Practices
> > should be policed and that violators have their mouse hand chopped
> off.
> >
> > Kidding aside, I think this means that we would need to invite
> someone with
> > a good incentive for the project UIs to have their consistency and
> quality
> > enforced.  I nominate Mike M. and or Bjorn.  I may even be willing to
> take
> > their side of the argument now and then ;)
> >
> > It sounds like we could have a good topic for a panel, because there
> is
> > enough controversy, and there is good reason to raise awareness of
> the
> > guidelines for attendees, who may not be aware of this very valuable
> > resource and efforts around it.  How about this for a panel
> structure?
> >
> > * Platform UI representative(s): Kevin, others (?)
> > * IBM and visual design representative: Kimberley (?)
> > * Developer trying to follow in their footsteps and encountering
> problems
> > along the way: Mik
> > * Manager being unreasonable in expecting UI consistency from
> projects: Mike
> > and/or Bjorn (?)
> > * Vendor trying to figure out whether they should care about any of
> this:
> > (?)
> > * others?
> >
> > Bob: are you interested in leading the panel again?
> >
> > Mik
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ui-
> >> best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
> >> Doug
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:06 AM
> >> To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
> >> Subject: RE: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
> >>
> >> Speaking as the Program Chair, I suggest that you make this somewhat
> >> controversial to keep it interesting.  Several of the panels last
> year
> >> were boring because everyone was saying the same thing.  (I missed
> your
> >> panel, so I'm not specifically talking about yours.)
> >>
> >> UI's are controversial by definition because users have different
> >> definitions of usability based on their domain expertise.  We get a
> lot
> >> of customer feedback on Eclipse along the lines of "it's too big and
> >> too
> >> complicated for what I need to do."  It would be great to
> incorporate
> >> that in a UI panel.
> >>
> >> Doug Gaff
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ui-
> >>> best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Kevin
> >>> McGuire
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:15 AM
> >>> To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking about this too.  It'd be cool to do it again, we had
> a
> >>> good turnout and it in general its probably good to take all
> >>> opportunities to get people thinking about UI stuff.  It might be
> >> good
> >>> though to have a few less people.
> >>>
> >>> The big question to me though is, to what aim?  What will be the
> >>> purpose?  It may be better if we had a stronger theme, or even set
> up
> >>> some more contentious points to have a good panel discussion of
> >>> opposing
> >>> views.
> >>>
> >>> So before I say yes I'd like us to get an idea of the theme.
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> Mik Kersten wrote:
> >>>> Is there interest in doing a panel like last year's?
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 from me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mik
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mik Kersten
> >>>> Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn
> >>>>
> >>>>
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