Guru, We would love to have you present
TPTP. You can have the whole hour, unless anyone else has an agenda item they
feel we must address.
From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nagarajan, Guru
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006
6:36 AM
To: neil.hauge@xxxxxxxxxx; User
Interface Architecture Working Group
Subject: RE:
[ui-best-practices-working-group] UIBPWG meeting on Wednesday,December 6th -
Agenda
Folks,
I was vacation this past two weeks
and missed the Nov 22nd meeting. I had committed to Dec 6th
TPTP Java Profiling/User Interface. I am on track with my preparation –
wanted to confirm the agenda.
Thanks,
Guru
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[mailto:ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Hauge
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006
4:33 PM
To: User Interface Architecture
Working Group
Subject: Re:
[ui-best-practices-working-group] UIBPWG meeting on Wednesday,November 22nd -
Post meeting discussion
With the hope of continuing this discussion, I would
like to summarize the main items from last week's meeting regarding the Dali
JPA Tools and our UI issues.
Main items:
There is reasonable support for the "properties" style editing that
is currently enabled for annotation editing in the Java source. Most appear to
be in favor of reusing the Tabbed Properties framework if possible, as opposed
to using a custom view. There is also some support for the editing of
annotations via a form based editor. The main problem with this approach
is that there is no way to embed the Java Editor into an editor tab along side
a JPA editor. This resulting distance between the annotation editing and
the source code might be an issue.
There is support for the form based editor approach for editing the orm.xml
descriptor. There is also support for the "properties" style
editing that is currently enabled for the orm.xml descriptor editing.
This conflict arises between the two basic modes of XML editing, one in which
the user prefers to work inside the XML file, and one where the user prefers to
be shielded from the complexity of the XML file. Both of these modes of
work are valid.
Post meeting thoughts:
It is likely that users who prefer to work directly inside the XML (advanced
users) will prefer to use the forthcoming completion functionality embedded in
the XML Editor. If that is the case, a form based editor may better suit
the other group of users, who are not interested in what the raw XML source
looks like. XML source could be made available as a separate editor tab
as is standard practice in Eclipse. Advanced users could of course drop
back to the form based editor when necessary. A similar argument could
also be made for annotation editing, although the grounds are not as
strong. The user generally doesn't want to be shielded from the Java
source, but some abstraction may be helpful. It doesn't help that the
Java Editor is not embeddable.
Regarding the Tabbed Properties framework, I think most would like to see this
framework used for any persistence properties. In order to do this, a
number of bugs/enhancements will need to be addressed. Perhaps the UIBPWG
group can help here, starting with individuals commenting on the appropriate
bugs. Here are the related bug numbers to comment on:
- 156277 - Tabbed Properties support filters and typeMapping for ITextSelection
- 158607 - need support for multiple plugins adding tabs to one
PropertyContributor
- 162079 - Properties view should be a post selection listener
Perhaps we can discuss other options the group may have to help push Platform
development at the next meeting, if there is time.
Neil
Neil Hauge wrote:
There will be a web conference for the demo.
Details are below.
If you get a chance, take a look at the email on the mailing list titled -
"Annotation and XML configuration discussion (WTP-JPA Dali Tools)"
before the meeting.
URL: http://conference.oracle.com/
Conference ID: 61884685
Neil
Bob Fraser wrote:
There will be a meeting of the UI Best Practices
Working Group on November 22nd.
Conference Call: Wednesday, November 22nd, 10:00 PDT
613.287.8000 or 866.362.7064 passcode 892048#
Neil Hauge will give a show and tell on Dali/Web
Tools for JPA.
Wiki: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/User_Interface_Best_Practices_Working_Group
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