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Re: [tools-pmc] Request for approval of Buildship 1.0

I don’t think the community understands our meaning of incubation. I barely understand it.

So +1 from me on this release 1.0 of Buildship and congrats to the team!


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Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM
To: "tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx" <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Request for approval of Buildship 1.0

Greetings PMC.

The the EDP does not mandate that "1.0" means mature. That is, we can turn this into a simple (first) release review if that makes sense.

If there is concern about confusion in the community, the project can opt to change the version name to "0.9" or something. But, again, there is no requirement to do so.

Incubation branding rules would still be in effect.

Is this an option that you would consider, Etienne? Let us know if you have questions.


On 18/06/15 02:45 PM, David M Williams wrote:
I hope other PMC members take a look at this request, and chime in, but I'll make some high level comments.

I certainly have no objections to the project releasing, but given the version number of "1.0", I assume this review is not only for release, but also to graduate from incubation.
Do you, (project lead and mentors) really think the project is ready to be a graduated, "stand alone" project, without continued mentorship?

I know I'm old-school, but would list the following references. I wonder if you've read them?

From what I can see in the write-up, I don't really see it.

I will admit I am biased, since I'm not sure how any project can prove "ready to graduate" after only 2 months at Eclipse.

And, this project is obviously a special case, and perhaps does not fit into any Eclipse criteria (reference points) that I allows me to make a judgment?

Here's some things I found anomalous:

- 69 bugs open and many of them fixed (that's good) but seemed that most were opened by 2 or 3 people (not strong evidence of "a community", in other words).
[I know in the past, you've claimed to have a community "outside of Eclipse" ... and if that's part of the justification, then details should be given in the documentation,
such as pointers to another bug tracking system? (Not sure that's good, to have another build tracking system ... just saying, if there's something "outside" of Eclipse that demonstrates,
readiness to graduate, then I think should be included.]

- You had 4 "milestone builds" but they were a week apart. That's not normally what we would call a "milestone" at Eclipse, so wonder what your definition is. Do you plan to continue to have weekly "milestones"?
If so, would be good to cover that, and define what that means, in your release/graduation review.

Given our history, about the release train, I was afraid to say anything, for fear of giving the wrong impression of being "not supportive" or "in the way".
But, I do really do mean these remarks as constructive.
And, I feel a responsibility to "treat all projects equally" and these are questions and things I would look at for any graduating project.
And, since no other PMC members said anything ... thought I should say something.

Hope you find my comments at least a little helpful, and again, would welcome comments from other PMC members.


From:        Etienne Studer <etienne@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Date:        06/12/2015 06:39 PM
Subject:        [tools-pmc] Request for approval of Buildship 1.0
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I would like to ask for review/approval of the release review documentation of Buildship 1.0:

Thanks and kind regards, Etienne
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