RE: [tools-pmc] Regarding the diversity of PDT and the PDT 1.0 Gr aduati

[Doug Schaefer <DSchaefer@xxxxxxx>]

Hmm, it would be disappointing if we didn’t consider LAMP to be a standard runtime.

 

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com

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From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:35 PM
To: 'Tools PMC mailing list'
Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Regarding the diversity of PDT and the PDT 1.0 Gr aduation Review

 

I’m not disagreeing with that. However, I recall that at the time of its approval by the Board, there was much discussion about WTP being solely focused on tools for standards-based runtimes.

 

This is from memory, so it may be a non-issue. But it does require some investigation.

 

Mike Milinkovich

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From: Doug Schaefer [mailto:DSchaefer@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:41 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list
Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Regarding the diversity of PDT and the PDT 1.0 Gr aduation Review

 

As opposed to “The Eclipse Web Tools Platform (WTP) project extends the Eclipse platform with tools for developing Web and Java EE applications”. As far as I’m aware, PHP is used almost solely for Web applications.

 

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com

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From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Regarding the diversity of PDT and the PDT 1.0 Gr aduation Review

 

I am not sure that a PHP project would fit within the WTP charter. That would require some investigation. As I recall, the charter refers to tools for de jure standards only.

 

 

Mike Milinkovich

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From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:26 PM
To: Tools PMC mailing list
Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] Regarding the diversity of PDT and the PDT 1.0 Gr aduation Review

 

Yes. It turns out you are right. I thought they had three active contributors from IBM.

 

We had a quick discussion and John is charged with doing something about it. I personally think they are under the wrong project and we should see if they would be better suited with the Web Tools project which should be interested in PHP tooling, no?

 

BTW, I have typed this e-mail twenty times and it used to be two pages long. But if you want to know what I really wanted to say, you’ll have to buy me a beer, or two, or three. gurrr…

 

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com

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From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:45 PM
To: tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tools-pmc] Regarding the diversity of PDT and the PDT 1.0 Graduation Review

 

(hmm, this email was not delivered the first time - trying again without the typo in the address)

Dear Tools PMC,
I was looking over the PDT 1.0 Graduation Review slides and slide 18 caught by eye: "17 committers from 2 organizations (Zend and IBM)".
And yet looking at the commit explorer for the PDT project, I see that all the code has come from Zend-employed committers and none from the IBM-employed committers:
    http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/summary.cgi?company=y&year=x&top=tools&project=tools.pdt

Three of the 17 committers are from IBM, but:

• bburns has never committed any code, ever, to any Eclipse project
• pberkland has been active in Webtools, but not in PDT or in any Tools project
• rgoodman has been active in Webtools, but not in PDT or in any Tools project

Thus my question for the PDT Leadership and the Tools PMC is:

• Given that the Eclipse Development Process says:

• 2.5 "a thriving, diverse and active community of developers is the key component of any Eclipse Project"
• 6.3 "Reasonable diversity in its committer population as appropriate for the type of Review. Diversity status must be provided not only as number of people/companies, but also in terms of effort provided by those people/companies."
• 6.3.2 "The purpose of the Graduation Review is to confirm that the Project is/has: ... active and sufficiently diverse communities: adopters, developers, and users"

• Given all that, how does "all the committers come from one company" qualify as "sufficiently diverse"?

Thanks for helping me understand,
Bjorn