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Re: [technology-pmc] requesting permission for release review (JWT) 
Hi Wayne,
Thanks for your many inputs, they are poised to put JWT closer to an engaging, working community ! As a start, a blog aggregated on Planet Eclipse is sure to improve its popularity.
I understand your concern with how we at JWT do engage the community today. We want to ramp it up, and after reading your email I'd actually love to talk to you in person about it. But for now let me just put two things in light.
First, we've got a lot of vision and ongoing work, but for good or bad reasons (and I put myself in first line), JWT has been lately "more talk than released code" until now (and the just postponed CQs are not going to improve this in the short term), and that's why we wanted to wait for something worth it to talk about it - like another release.
Second, we're interacting in a purposeful matter with several other actors and communities, like Bonita, STP, OW2, jBPM, and I strongly believe most of these are actually going to put together with us a quite complete and consistent vision, or even solution. I agree it would be best for these interactions to happen in the channels Eclipse provides us with, and this will improve accordingly.
On other topics, our proposal at ESE has been refused this year, but we'll try to stick with our friends at STP. Though EclipseCon is a bit far, we've got talks at OW2 TechDays and LinuxSolutions in France, as well as planned articles in EclipseMag and InfoQ among others.
On STP and the future of JWT, we've integrated JWT with parts of STP (the STP Intermediate Metamodel, as well as STP SCA Tools). STP might be a place for JWT - the question is complementarity vs opposition of vision and features, which will be discussed together on an upcoming common wiki page.
Most of these things are related in the upcoming project review slides, so you might take a look at them. 

I'll always be eager to get your feedback,

Regards,
Marc Dutoo
JWT Project Lead

Wayne Beaton a écrit :

Hi Christian.
I've done a quick review of the JWT project. It seems that the project has done a good job of making it easy for interested parties to get involved with the project. Specifically, the project's web site [1] is informative, but concise. Futher, you have provided numerous sources of information about the project which should make it easy for interested parties to figure out how to get involved. The project summary page [2] appears to have all the required information (though the "Project Plan" links don't provide any actual information).
I am concerned, however, that there seems to be relatively little input into the project from outside of the project's committers. All but one of the bugzilla entries against the project appear to come from committers. The newsgroup [3] has very little activity. There does seem to be a steady stream of downloads, but given the low volume, it would be easy to theorize that they are coming from colleagues within your respective companies.
It does seem that you are doing some of what is required to engage with the community. You are certainly making it easy for folks to get involved. However, the community will only get involved if they know about you and I get the sense that you're not doing enough to raise awareness of the project. At a minimum, you need to blog about this. Consider creating a project blog and having it aggregated on Planet Eclipse and aggregators in the BPM space.
I noticed that you appear to be using the archive server to serve your downloads from the "All Downloads" page [4]. Can you explain why? It is more typical to use the download server as you appear to be doing with the link on your home page.
Can you please fix the broken project plan links on the project summary page?
I would also like to see some form of plan for more actively engaging the community and drawing them into the project. What conferences are you presenting at? Are you blogging about this technology? Are you planning to submit a talk proposal for ESE, or EclipseCon 2009 (submissions open today)?
Is the JWT project working with the STP project at all? Are there any/many interactions between the projects? Is STP a potential permanent home for this project? 

Thanks,

Wayne

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/jwt/
[2] http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projectid=technology.jwt [3] http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/thread.php?group=eclipse.technology.jwt 
[4] http://wiki.eclipse.org/JWT_Downloads#Workflow_Editor_Version_0.4.0

Christian Saad wrote:

Hi Technology PMC,
We’d like to request your approval for the 0.5 release of the Java Workflow Tooling (JWT) project. This release contains many bugfixes and UI additions which will enhance user experience along with several new extension points that will allow users to customize the workflow editing process to their own 
needs.


Thanks,

Christian (JWT Committer)
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