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RE: [technology-pmc] FW: BPEL Progress?
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We're on it.
Wayne
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Wayne Beaton
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: technology-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:technology-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> Milinkovich
> Sent: June 23, 2006 2:14 PM
> To: 'Technology PMC'
> Subject: RE: [technology-pmc] FW: BPEL Progress?
>
>
>
> My observation is that this project still needs some TLC
> (tender loving care). It's a first FOSS project for both this
> team from IBM and the team from Oracle.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: technology-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:technology-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Wayne Beaton
> > Sent: June 22, 2006 3:25 PM
> > To: 'Technology PMC'
> > Subject: [technology-pmc] FW: BPEL Progress?
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > Wayne
> > --
> > Wayne Beaton
> > The Eclipse Foundation
> > wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > http://www.eclipse.org
> > http://wbeaton.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.planeteclipse.org/planet/
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: EDWIN KHODABAKCHIAN [mailto:EDWIN.KHODABAKCHIAN@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: June 22, 2006 1:34 PM
> > > To: Greg Adams
> > > Cc: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Wayne Beaton; James
> Moody; Michal
> > > Chmielewski
> > > Subject: Re: BPEL Progress?
> > >
> > > Greg,
> > > I will circle back with Michal who drives the project on
> > our side and
> > > get back to you on both the validation front and updated
> timelines.
> > > -Edwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From Greg Adams <Greg_Adams@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent Thu 6/22/2006 10:15 AM
> > > To Edwin Khodabakchian <edwin.khodabakchian@xxxxxxxxxx> Cc
> > > mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Wayne Beaton
> > <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>; James
> > > Moody <James_Moody@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject Re: BPEL Progress?
> > >
> > > Hi Edwin,
> > >
> > > I just got back and am catching up & syncing up with the
> team here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update on the progress and staffing. That's
> > great news
> > > that Edward is up and running and that you have Horst
> > coming on board
> > > soon.
> > >
> > > Regarding validation, James had mentioned to Michal in the
> > past that
> > > we were investigating whether or not we could contribute IBM's
> > > validation code to the project.
> > > Unfortunately we will not be able to contribute this code at the
> > > present time. I see that Oracle owns the validation item in the
> > > milestone plan - I assume this will still be a feasible
> > item for you
> > > and is something we should push on soon.
> > >
> > > In general, it seems that at the present time, our
> > milestone plan is
> > > problematic - a number of milestone dates have passed but
> we still
> > > have open items that haven't been completed.
> > > With the new resources that are on board, do you have an
> outlook on
> > > when we can achieve some of these? For example, I'm
> looking at the
> > > following items:
> > >
> > > M0: December 15
> > >
> > > - Storyboarding of LoanFlow. Michal had mentioned this was
> > something
> > > you wanted to be involved in, and is crucial for ensuring
> that our
> > > tools handle a real-world use case.
> > > - Start Runtime/Debugger API design: It seems that we have
> > some other
> > > (non-IBM and non-Oracle) folks who are interested in this
> space. I
> > > assume that since Oracle owns this item you'll be tracking their
> > > progress to ensure we can meet the deliverables?
> > >
> > > M1: January 31
> > >
> > > - Design of Validation Framework - See my comment above
> > regarding the
> > > validator.
> > > - Define line of validation errors/warnings with strings
> - Also see
> > > above.
> > > - Contribute Samples - Last I heard from Michal, these were being
> > > cleaned up. Have they been contributed yet?
> > >
> > > M2: March 7
> > >
> > > - Implement default, simple set of UI extensions
> (prompters, XPath
> > > editor,
> > > etc) - As far as I know, no code has been committed by
> > Oracle for this
> > > yet
> > > - specifically for the prompters, this means we can't
> author a bpel
> > > process from scratch.
> > >
> > > M3: May 15
> > >
> > > - Full-featured refined set of UI extensions (prompters,
> > XPath editor,
> > > etc)
> > > - It sounds like this is a refinement of the previous item.
> > > - Validation - This looked like the point we hoped to have a
> > > functional validator.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As all of the above dates have passed, it seems like we
> > will need to
> > > do a reset of the milestone plan - it smells to me like an
> > October 1.0
> > > release is in jeopardy. But before we do, we need to
> ensure that we
> > > believe we can hit the new dates with the resources we have
> > in place.
> > > What are your thoughts about a revised set of dates that would be
> > > attainable? In particular I believe we need to have the
> > m1,m2 content
> > > in place with your help so that we can declare some
> > victory, and then
> > > sort out how best to jointly move ahead on the other milestones
> > > together and with the rest of the community and any new
> > participants
> > > like sybase.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Edwin
> > >
> > > Khodabakchian
> > >
> > > <edwin.khodabakch
> > > To
> > > ian@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > cc
> > > 05/08/2006 07:19 Greg
> > > Adams/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
> > > PM
> > > Subject
> > > Re: BPEL Progress?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > Michal who is the lead of the project on our side has been
> > back from
> > > his surgery and actively involved in the project.
> > > He has now access to additional resources to help accelerate the
> > > implementation. My understanding is that the communication
> > between the
> > > teams is live and they are making progress.
> > >
> > > Greg,
> > > Do you have a similar feedback on your side?
> > >
> > > -Edwin
> > > 1 650 504 8118 (cell)
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 8, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Greg, Edwin,
> > > >
> > > > Just checking back in to see if there has been any progress
> > > on getting
> > > > additional Oracle resources on the BPEL project? It's been
> > > about six
> > > > weeks since we talked last, as I recall.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Milinkovich
> > > > Executive Director,
> > > > Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
> > > > Office: 613-224-9461 x228
> > > > Cell: 613-220-3223
> > > > mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > blog: http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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