Re: [sumo-dev] Miscalculation of Rotational Kinetic Energy, Curvature En

[Jan Přikryl <prikryl@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Joerg,

I am just curious: Do you have (or will you have) any comparison with measurements of real vehicles in real traffic? We are namely using the original HelpersEnergy subsystem to compute energy flows in the ElecHybrid device and, to be sure, we have tried to validate the outputs of SUMO against telemetry that we have from trolleybuses -- and, given the natural variance of the data that you get from such a vehicle in real traffic (different saloon occupation and hence different mass, different traffic conditions, different daily temperatures resulting in heavy variations in auxiliary power consumption and so on) and given that for the modelled vehicle you get at least three different sets of drag and resistance parameters (one set provided by the manufacturer of the vehicle, a second set from the provider of the chassis, and the third one from the vehicle operator), we were quite happy with the results even with the current implementation (the only change is that we try to limit the acceleration of a vehicle based on its power limits).

On the other hand, there is a paper from 2018 (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8450371) that reports a 23-29% difference
in energy consumption compared to a test with a real electric vehicle. I did not read it yet, I just came across it recently. 

That leaves me wondering whether our comparison is correct and whether we should not crosscheck it one more time...

Jan

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 10:23 PM, joerg.schweizer@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> Thanks Michael for putting your hands on this, and sorry it took time to 
> find the file.
> 
> It has been quite crucial for the project as the determination of the 
> energy consumption has been the main goal.
> 
> Hope it gets fixed soon.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Joerg
> 
> 
> On 15/10/20 21:53, Michael Behrisch wrote:
> > Hi,
> > thanks for the report and sorry for the delay. Unfortunately we have
> > several places in the code which calculate energies. I suppose you are
> > referring to HelpersEnergy::compute
> > https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/blob/master/src/utils/emissions/HelpersEnergy.cpp#L57
> > ?
> > This function seems to have some problems indeed not only the ones you
> > mention but in total it should return power and not energy because the
> > time scaling is done outside the function when used as an emission
> > model. For the battery device however energy is expected. Sorry for the
> > hassle, it is now tracked here: https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/issues/7695
> >
> > Thanks again for finding out!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Michael
> >
> > Am 11.10.20 um 06:40 schrieb Burford Furman:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> We are running SUMO ver 1.6.0 under Windows 10, and we just discovered
> >> that the SUMO source code is calculating the Rotational Kinetic Energy,
> >> the Curvature Energy Loss, and the Constant Auxiliary Energy Demand
> >> incorrectly. The SUMO documentation lists the correct equations, but for
> >> some reason the source code is not correct in ver 1.6.0. Our findings
> >> are summarized below:
> >>
> >> image.png
> >>
> >> image.png
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Burford Furman
> >>
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  Jan Přikryl
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