| Re: [sparkplug-dev] Fwd: Re: [iot-pmc] PMC Approval required for Committer Election for Ian Craggs on Sparkplug |
Hi Ian S.I had a little chat with Ian Craggs this morning to clarify things.Given that everything Ian does on the Sparkplug specification project is on behalf of HiveMQ, he is covered by HiveMQ's working group membership and member contributor participation agreement in that scope of work. Crucially, this does not include Ian's work on Paho, on other Eclipse projects or on the Eclipse IoT PMC.As Wayne suggested, the best way to establish proper separation between "Ian-Craggs-as-an-individual" and "Ian-Craggs-as-HiveMQ" is for Ian to create and use a second Eclipse account for his work on Sparkplug. Since Ian will identify HiveMQ as his employer in this account, HiveMQ will get credit for Ian's contributions to the project. Ian C agreed with that approach and will take action accordingly.You are right, Ian S, to highlight the fact that the Sparkplug Working Group charter does not have provisions for committer members. This is something the Sparkplug steering committee can decide to add to the charter at any time but also implies the existence of a specific participation agreement. We can discuss the idea at the next meeting of the committee.Best Regards,Frédéric DESBIENS
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_______________________________________________On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 10:59, Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:_______________________________________________Hi WayneIan C will be a contractor for HiveMQ in the work he is doing on the Sparkplug spec project, so can he participate under HiveMQ's membership? Alternatively, it doesn't look like Sparkplug allows for individual committer members. I am thinking this might have been an oversight in the working group charter. If you agree, how do we change this?IanOn Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:08 AM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:In order to be a committer on a specification project, the developer must either work for an organization that is a member of the working group or be an individual member of the working group themselves.WayneOn Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:02 AM Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Excellent.I am a bit confused by your statement that Ian does not need to be part of the working group. The Eclipse Foundation Specification process says that all committers need to be covered by a WOrking Group Participation Agreement. How is Ian supposed to be covered by a WG agreement if he isn't a member?IanOn Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:35 AM Frédéric Desbiens <frederic.desbiens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Ian.As of this morning, three PMC members gave a plus +1 to approve the election. That's already a majority. I expect the EMO will ratify the result very soon.Best Regards,Frédéric DESBIENS
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_______________________________________________On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 08:00, Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Sorry I am new to this list :-)_______________________________________________Was Ian Craggs confirmed by the PMC to be a committer on the Sparkplug specification project?ThanksIan
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Subject: Re: [iot-pmc] PMC Approval required for Committer Election for Ian Craggs on Sparkplug Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 09:16:19 -0500 From: Frédéric Desbiens <frederic.desbiens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: PMC list for IoT top level project <iot-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: PMC list for IoT top level project <iot-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> CC: Sparkplug Dev List <sparkplug-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Ian.
Working group membership is not required to make contributions to the Sparkplug specification project or even to become a committer on it.
Currently, the Sparkplug WG charter does not include the concept of a committer member; however, this is something the steering committee could add to accommodate cases like yours. I wonder if this is something that working groups should add automatically when they add specifications to their scope.
Wayne: I think there is some confusion here about specification projects, specification committees and working groups. Do you think we should hop on a call with Ian Skerrett and Ian Craggs to understand what they are looking for and suggest a way forward?
Best,
Frédéric DESBIENS
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 06:42, Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
_______________________________________________Hi Jens,
I confess to not being familiar with the Eclipse specification process, so I'm not sure how things are expected to work. The principal reason that Dominik nominated me was to take advantage of my experience of working on the MQTT and MQTT-SN specifications at OASIS. I was secretary as well as a voting member for the MQTT 5.0 specification and am currently co-chair of the MQTT-SN specification committee. Apart from my experience in the specification process, SparkPlug is also related to MQTT so there are two levels of connection.
The main goal is to allow my full participation in the specification process for SparkPlug, attending working group meetings, and being able to vote on any resolutions, as well as contributing documentation updates and software.
I looked at the membership prospectus for the working group (https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/5413615/sparkplug-member-prospectus%202020.pdf) and concluded that I could join as an individual participant member for the fee of $500 (and signing the participation agreement). But then Ian Skerrett checked with the Eclipse organization (I don't know who), and suggested this committer election route as a result.
Obviously I don't need to be a committer to submit PRs to the project, which I am quite happy to do. It is membership of the working group that I'm aiming for. I don't know if those are different things or not.
Ian
On 09/12/2020 03:52, EMO EMO wrote:
There is precedent for using established expertise in a related field as the criteria for a committer election. This is, IMHO, especially true for specification projects. As specification projects are industry expert groups, past contributions elsewhere that establish an individual's credentials in the domain area should be taken into consideration when determining merit.
Wayne
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:53 AM Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi PMC,Hi Ian,
I am having a bit of concerns approving this request.
I am definitely not doubting the achievements of Ian when it comes to MQTT, as listed in the nomination in a transparent manner.
However, these are not contributions to the Sparkplug project. As far as I understood the nomination, you expect Ian to contribute to Sparkplug "in the future".
As "future" contributions don't count, for me that would be a reason to reject the request for a normal Eclipse project. However, to my understanding, Sparkplug is more a specification project. So let's discuss if that should be treated differently.
Cheers
Jens
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:12 AM <emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Committer Election for Ian Craggs on project Sparkplug (iot.sparkplug)
concluded successfully.
PMC leads and members can click the election link below to review and
approve.
Election:
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug/elections/election-ian-craggs-committer-sparkplug
Project: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug
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