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Hi Bob, Marc G., all
Maybe you missed my previous email (see attachment), in any case I
am very sorry that I won't be coming ;_;
I'll be glad to provide the simpler check address service (I'll
provide a wsdl tomorrow if you're ok with it, and the
implementation by Friday), but I don't see how I'll be able to
demonstrate anything without being there.
Maybe I can put up one slide or two about my (EasySOA's) point of
view of the picture ?
Best regards,
Marc
Le 20/03/2013 19:15, Bob Brodt a écrit :
Looks good to me...I'm sorry,
but I've forgotten what Marc D. will be presenting (I'm
knee-deep in code, frantically trying to finish the editor's DI
generation and auto layout of same :-o)
Can someone please refresh my memory?
Thanks, Bob. Hence, we are saying:
·
Overview what we will be demoin and how
this is related to the contributions (I volunteer to
draft)
·
End-to-end demo
o
Adrian
o
Marc D.
o
Bob
o
Marc G.
·
Few slides on the respective tools
o
Adrian
o
Marc D.
o
Bob
o
Marc G.
·
Panel Wrap-up
Right?
Shall we assign durations?
Marc
Agreed.
Should we keep our individual "What's new and cool in
the tooling/engine" presentations separate from the
end-to-end thread of the demo to avoid losing our
audience? I suggest we do these after the main thread in
case we run out of time...
Hi all,
I agree
and was just thinking that today. We could each have
a slide deck for our individual tools that we are
demoing. I think we have ample time during the
tutorial to give on-the-fly explanations and so on
depending on questions as well but it would be good
to have slides in the beginning of the tutorial.
I can
present what’s new in Mangrove.
Adrian.
Thanks, Bob.
We definitely
need one. I volunteer to do one and leave slots open
for other contributions.
Marc
Hi
all,
It just occurred to me that we don't really have a
slide deck for the EC demo. Do we need one? Maybe
just an intro and agenda with a couple of pages for
each agenda item?
Bob
Hi Bob,
Sorry to come back to you
late on this, we actually exchanged on private
email after this was sent. Just on one question
you asked about why I did feel the need to use
the ModelHandler, it was only because I thought
that there were some problems with the Document
Root (remember seeing some comment on this
somewhere in your code). But this may work
directly with the original meta-model. Will get
back to you tomorrow with a prototype generation
of BPMN that hopefully you can use in the editor
directly.
Cheers,
Adrian.
Hey
Adrian & all,
I've built the "bare-bones" processes Marc
described (see attachments). The only things
missing are the WSDL/XSD imports and type
definitions. I'm assuming these are to be added
with the BPMN2 editor during the demo, yes?
I don't see any reason why you couldn't use just
the bpmn2 metamodel to generate the output from
Mangrove - why do you feel it is necessary to
use the editor ModelHandler class (what am I
missing?)
Currently the editor does NOT create BPMN DI
elements (and their associated graphical shapes
and connections) from just the BPMN2 model
elements. A process file that has no BPMNShapes
and BPMNEdges will just show up as an empty
canvas, although the Content Outline view will
show the "Business Model" tree. This capability
kind of requires an auto layouter, which I
haven't had time to investigate yet (but it's on
my list!) If absolutely necessary, I could hack
together a crude BPMN DI generator and arrange
the BPMNShapes horizontally/vertically, but it
probably won't be pretty ;)
Cheers,
Bob
Hi Marc,
Thanks a lot for all
the work, this looks great. Regarding the
conversion to BPMN, I would need from Bob
the exact BPMN file that is the target for
Mangrove (what should be my output). Also
Bob, should I use your
org.eclipse.bpmn2.modeler.core.ModelHandler
helper class for creating the file? This
seems to be the way to go for your project
(even though I would’ve preferred a way to
do this which is only dependent on the BPMN2
meta-model, and not the editor itself). If I
do use the ModelHandler, I’d probably use
some of its creation methods to populate the
contents of the BPMN2 file.
Regarding the
serialization of the file, are there any
particular issues I need to worry about?
Lastly, in the
serialized BPMN2 file there are hierarchies
for model elements as well as graphical
elements. I would think that diagrams can be
generated from the models, is this correct?
That is, if I generate the model elements,
your editor is capable of generating a
diagram for each process, for instance? Or
do I need to instantiate sample diagram
elements in the BPMN2 file?
Thanks,
Adrian.
Gents,
I have
created a simple web app to kick off the two
processes for the charity umbrella
organization of a fictitious country
Neverland.
It sends
the input form data to a process engine with
simple REST calls. Find a few screen shots
below. We can surely tweak it a bit till
next week.
I will
check in the code into Git in the next 2-3
days (all very simple _javascript_, HTML,
jQuery) and also deploy on SunGard’s Cloud
Platform (will send link).
Regarding
our demo(s) I suggest a “before/after
strategy”: Instead if importing Adrian >
Bob and Bob > Marc G. we may prepare the
enriched (“after”) state of the model and
only show that the import works in general
(“before” state). I am just skeptical that
we will be able to test everything properly
to really show end to end – but if so: even
better.
Marc D.
maybe we can agree on a simplistic Address
Verification WSDL (e.g. based on the fields
below) and show your other WS during the
demo?
Cheers,
Marc
From: Gille, Marc
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. März 2013
02:45
To: 'SOA PMC mailing list'
Subject: RE: [soa-pmc] submission
to ECON?
Gents,
find
below some screenshots of what I was
thinking of. Processes are running
end-to-end on Stardust and I would suggest
“backtracking” now. In other words: Adrian
to start with “naked” Mangrove approach,
passing over to Bob, who would in turn pass
over to me. Marc D. to expose the
Address Check WS which is currently
only invoked in the Vacation Request.
Whatever additional WS is coming to your
mind, we can easily squeeze in. We also
should agree on an XSD for the WS(s).
I will
build out a sample UI for kicking off the
processes (see spec) in the next 2-3 days.
Hope to have all of this in a demo
environment over the weekend.
Marc
Charity Organization Request
Vacation Approval Request
Project Outline
Hi guys,
So this all looks
great! So regarding my participation, as
Marc says it’s probably best if Mangrove
comes up first in the demo-chain, although
we could also give a quick peek at moving
info to SCA as well. So here’s what I
propose in this case, and I’ll probably
dedicate the better part of the time until
EclipseCON to work on this:
1.
Starting
from a DSL (probably developed using Xtext),
we create a domain-specific process or both
processes for our scenario. Domain-specific
here would mean that we come up with some
concepts for tasks that are specific to our
scenario, such as “application analysis”,
“dispatch request”, “charity check” and so
on. I would say that a total of 5-7 concepts
should be enough. These concepts would then
be used in the definition of the domain
specific processes.
2.
The
domain-specific processes would then be
transformed into Mangrove.
3.
We can show
the graphical overview of these processes
with the Mangrove Viewer.
4.
From
Mangrove we would then generate BPMN2.
5.
We could
also generate SCA to say that this could
potentially be used for more intricate
architecture definition but we’ll not use
that for the scenario.
6.
Then the
rest of your scenario Marc would follow.
So I will need to see
the full BPMN that you guys want to have so
that I can quickly come up with the concepts
and then I need to code the new Xtext DSL +
the transformation plugin to Mangrove.
Regarding Mangrove to BPMN2, this
transformation plugin needs to be coded at
this stage, but I’m fairly confident that
there’s no problem doing it and in any case
I’ll try to advance with both things fairly
fast. Bob was interested in this
transformation as well so if I get stuck he
might help when he’s back from holidays.
So I’ll get to work on
this and the sooner we have the BPMN
diagrams, the better would be for me to
draft the concepts and circulate them back
to you guys.
Cheers,
Adrian.
Sure,
here's sort of what I was thinking...
Great,
thanks. Can you send some sample BPMN
serialization files just to test
compatibility?
Marc
This
sounds great Marc, looks like we have a
plan. One of the features I'd like to
show off in the BPMN2 editor is the
multi-diagram capbility: we could
essentially build a high-level
choreography diagram which models the
participants and message flows, and
within the same bpmn file, model the
underlying processes for each
participant. Not sure if Stardust can
consume this type of model, and not even
sure it would apply to this scenario,
but it's something to think about.
I'll assume we can use the WSDLs and
XSDs from the EasySOA sample that Marc D
provided as a starting point?
As I said before, I'll be on vacation
next week, but I will check emails
occasionally (most likely off hours when
my wife isn't looking ;)
Bob
All,
I
looked at the mail thread. As Adrian
pointed out, it seems not trivial
(at least I could not manage) to
easily get something out of Marc D’
example we could use for our
end-to-end approach – no offense
Marc …
However,
I like the general scenario of
One
or more charity organisations
using a platform provided by a
third-party (may be a national
benefits roof organization) to
offer vacation funding for those
in need.
We
could model two core
use cases/processes:
1.
Onboarding of a new
charity organization, specification
of criteria/rules for applicants
2.
Application of an
individual in need for funding,
dispatching of this application to
one of the charity organizations,
analysis and approval steps
(possibly 4-eyes-principle) and
applicant notification.
Hence,
we would have as
participants
·
Platform operators
from the roof organization
running/operating the system
·
Administrators
of the charity organizations
Applicants
would only be implicit participants
kicking of workflows via a little
portal and receiving notifications.
We
might use Web Services for
·
Address validation
·
Others?
We
may draft a very simplistic web
portal for
·
Charity organization
registration (kicking of process 1)
·
Application for
vacation funding (kicking of process
2)
The
rest could be done entirely with
process logic, auto-generated
screens and rules.
I
would start very simple with all of
the above and add more if we have
time.
If
you guys are OK with the approach we
could work on it with the following
work packets
·
Marc D. to think about
more WSs.
·
Marc to sketch out the
above on Stardust and possibly host
a demo environment we all can play
with on SunGard facilities.
Byproduct would also be XSDs Marc D.
could use.
·
Bob to adopt the BPMN
(which during the demo would be
passed from Bob to Marc as
discussed) and think about how to
highlight features of the BPMN2
editor.
·
Adrian to adopt Bob’s
and Marc’s BPMN back and think about
how to create this from Mangrove
(conscious that during the demo,
Adrian would be the first in the
value chain as discussed)
What
do you think?
I
could have a first version possibly
after the weekend.
Marc
Hi
Marc,
Have you had a chance to look at
this in more detail? Anything to
share yet?
Bob
Agree with Bob: We
have to nail it down this week.
I will block half a
day tomorrow to look through the
material and come up with some
suggestions. From a generic
perspective, it should not be
too complicated:
·
2 interactive steps
(User/Manual Tasks) performed by
two different Participants
·
2 different Events
to kick off the process (e.g.
Timer and Message)
·
1-2 Web Service
calls in Service Activities
·
1 Script/Rules Task
to e.g. map between payload
·
Data Structures
(XSD) to be used in WS and
Process
If you agree, let’s
find a business scenario in what
Marc D. send and map.
Marc
Hey
all,
This looks like a good start,
but have you guys given any more
thought to this? Adrian, what
would be used as a starting
point for Mangrove? Marc, any
thoughts on the BPMN process
flows that might be involved?
We have a little less than 3
weeks before EclipseCon and I
will be away on PTO March 11-15
(bad timing, I know, but this
trip was already planned before
EclipseCon and too late to
change it now).
Cheers,
Bob
Hi guys
Please find references the
related WSDLs within the
text below.
Regards,
Marc D.
Le 14/02/2013 13:16, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
>
> I guess the sequence
would be
>
> · Start from
Mangrove (Adrian)
> · Continue in
the BPMN2 Editor (Bob)
> · Expose Web
Services to be consumed in
the process (Marc D.)
> · Take over
Bob’s model into Stardust
add Web Service, add more
integration, deploy and
show Runtime (Marc G.)
>
> I have put this on
the page Adrian created.
>
> Marc D. did you sent
anything about the
semantics of you WS?
Le 14/02/2013 12:14, Marc
Dutoo a écrit :
Hi guys
Happy to know it helps !
Here's a description of
the actual, original use
case.
Please have a look, and
help decide which parts
should be made in how
many BPMN(s). It can be
changed, but *if you
want to reuse
applications* within
limits.
(from
https://github.com/easysoa/EasySOA/wiki/Axxx-use-case )
NAHV (National Agency
for Holiday Vouchers)
sells to employees
entreprise-sponsored
holiday vouchers. AXXX
uses the benefits to
fulfill its social
misssion as a public
service, by allowing
underpriviledged people
to go on holidays, and
first of all through its
flagship APV (Holiday
Project Help) program.
This is done by two
separate departments
(respectively, DCV and
DPS) with each their own
IT. At first, DPS worked
mainly with paper and
Excel forms, but DPS IT
is now going towards
providing complete
solutions to DPS
business employees
within a fully
architectured
information system. This
entails (subcontracted)
development of dedicated
business applications,
as well as integrating
them together and above
all with DCV IT data and
applications, all
according to SOA
principles.
Here are the steps of
getting a new a new
social partner in the
APV program :
* in NAHV DCV
department, a social
partner manager
convinces a social
partner (inventing a few
ones : Homelessness
Charity, Rehabilitation
Service, Church
Unemployment Trust) to
get in NAHV's APV
(Holiday Project Help)
social help program
* the social partner
manager goes in the
social partner
management CRM
application "Pivotal"
(or it could be a BPM
solution frontend ??)
and tells it about that
* this triggers an
orchestration
(implemented in Talend
ESB, thought could be
within a BPMN)
through
creerPrecompte of
https://github.com/easysoa/EasySOA-Incubation/blob/master/easysoa-samples/easysoa-samples-axxx/axxx-dps-apv/axxx-dps-apv-core/src/main/resources/api/PrecomptePartenaireService.wsdl
*
that 1. checks known
administrative information
about said social partner,
using the online Uniserv
checkAddress service
* 2. sends it to the
"APV" application that
toolifies the APV program
through
https://github.com/easysoa/EasySOA-Incubation/blob/master/easysoa-samples/easysoa-samples-axxx/axxx-dps-apv/axxx-dps-apv-core/src/main/resources/api/PrecomptePartenaireService.wsdl
* the
APV application creates a
"pre-account" (account
stub ?) for the social
partner
* APV managers fill this
account stub with : number
of people that the social
partner anticipate to send
on holidays, amount of
money that is required for
that, finally a signed
contract between bith
parties
* APV manager approves the
transformation to a full
fledged account
now the social partner is
able to use the APV
application to send
underpriviledged people on
holidays :
* he creates a new
"holiday project" with
indicative information
(where, when)
* he fills it with : total
number of people &
amount of money used
* he approves / validates
/ publishes it
* which locks it, computes
global aggregegate amounts
(people, money)
* and sends these global
key indicators to the
Pivotal application so it
will be displayed to the
social partner manager in
its dashboard
through
Information_APV of
https://github.com/easysoa/EasySOA-Incubation/blob/master/easysoa-samples/easysoa-samples-axxx/axxx-dcv-pivotal/src/main/resources/api/ContactSvc.asmx.wsdl
Regards,
Marc
Le 14/02/2013 10:23, Mos,
Adrian a écrit :
Hi
guys,
So I
think it’s great we are
beginning to think about
the demo and so on, this
should give us some time
to actually achieve
something integrated. What
I could show is:
-
Starting
from a domain-specific
representation of the
business process, Mangrove
should generate a first
BPMN stub. This could
contain a simple BPMN
diagram as well as perhaps
the web services that
correspond to the domain
concepts, associated to
their appropriate
activities. Of course this
BPMN diagram would then be
enriched with the BPMN
editor, before being
deployed.
-
The
mangrove transformation
could also generate SCA
from this. Now this may
not be used for full
deployment but we can use
this to showcase the fact
that we can add
architectural elements in
case we are not happy with
simple WS invocation.
It
would be great If we can
come up with a couple of
BPMN diagrams that we can
discuss on, in order to
move all this forward. I
created this page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Mangrove/ECon2013Demo
we
can use it as a discussion
page and for sharing of
up-to-date diagrams etc. I
put it under the Mangrove
wiki but if you think it’s
more appropriate to put it
under a SOA wiki we can
always create one!
Marc
D, since you have the web
services for the
social-help use-case, can
you put together a first
draft of a simple BPMN
diagram that shows what
can be achieved in such a
use-case?
Cheers,
Adrian.
Social help
is obviously a far better
demo case than financial
systems …
J Happy to go
with that.
What could be
a relevant business
process calling into this
web services?
Marc
Thanks,
Bob. That comes timely.
I was going to send a
similar request.
Suggestions:
·
We need an
application domain for
our sample scenario.
Ideas? Financial
systems? Logistics?
Retail? Something
fancier?
·
You and I
start exchanging sample
BPMN models for that
domain.
·
Model
should contain steps
being supposed to invoke
Web Services. Need WSDL.
·
Marc D. to
prepare exposing this
Web Service.
·
Anything
Andrian can add on a DL
falvour?
Marc
From: Bob
Brodt [mailto:bbrodt@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:
Dienstag, 12.
Februar 2013 19:58
To: SOA PMC
mailing list
Cc: Adrian
Mos; Marc Dutoo;
Gille, Marc
Subject: Re:
[soa-pmc] submission
to ECON?
Hi
all,
I just wanted to catch
up with everyone and get
a (somewhat) early start
on preparing for the SOA
Symposium. I'm sure at
some point we'll need to
get serious and make
sure we're all reading
from the same script,
but I just wanted to
toss around some ideas
sooner rather than
later.
Anyone have any
suggestions or ideas?
Cheers!
Bob
Hi guys
I guess we all got
the news already,
but just to say it,
the Eclipse Con
program is out and
the SOA Symposium is
in, so we're getting
a little bit closer
to the "beer part"
;)
Regards,
Marc
http://eclipsecon.org/2013/program/session-schedule/tutorials
Le 13/12/2012 08:53,
Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Bob,
find attached my slide deck I used at
EclipseCon Europe
2012. One of the
biggest issues there
was, that our
presentations were
not really
connected. This is
what we intend to
address in Boston.
Regarding Stardust:
·
If you
have build issues,
please post them in
the forum. We may
help.
·
Stardust’s
Eclipse Modeler
creates indeed XPDL
(and the engine
consumes it), but
this modeler is on
sunset – we may want
to use yours as
indicated on the
Stardust HP. We are
focusing on our
Browser Modeler
(also part of the
Stardust code base
and called
Lightdust) which is
working on BPMN and
XPDL. For BPMN we
are using the
Eclipse BPMN2
Metamodel underneath
as I think you do.
Hence, this should
work smoothly
(although I agree
that we should test
at the earliest). We
will be using the
Browser Modeler in
Boston. We can
exchange sample
models to check
compatibility
immediately.
Happy to hop on a conf call any time
next week.
Marc
Hi
Marc,
Not sure if this has
been asked before,
but was the
EclipseCon Europe
presentation
recorded, or is
there a slide deck
available? I would
be interested in
seeing the "show" in
its entirety.
I've started looking
seriously at
Stardust and am
currently running
into some build
issues, but hope to
have those resolved
soon. What worries
me, though, is that
the Process Model
editor appears to
only handle XPDL. It
was my understanding
that BPMN2 was
supported also - am
I missing something?
When you have some
spare time, maybe we
could do a
conference call and
discuss the
eclipsecon 2013
presentation. I'd
like to get started
on preparing
something sooner
rather than
later...just in case
;)
Cheers!
Bob
Great.
Thanks, Bob. May
be alternatively
to “open the
process model
alternatively
with the BPMN2
modeler”, we
should open
subsequently
with both
editors to show
that both may
modified and be
used by their
respective
audiences
without breaking
things. Should
not be a biggy
as we both work
on the same
metamodel
implementation.
An nothing is
wrong with a
little
regression test
…
Marc
OK, done. Thanks
Marc & Marc
:)
Bob,
just added you
to the
submission.
I suggest you
insert a line
saying that,
in parallel to
modeling the
process in
Stardust
modeler in
Orion, you can
benefit of the
BPMN2 standard
to view and
edit it in
Eclipse thanks
to the BPMN2
editor...
Regards,
Marc
Le 19/11/2012
20:32, Bob
Brodt a
écrit :
OK, that
sounds good to
me (especially
the "beers"
part - I can
certainly
handle that ;)
Can you list
me as one of
the speakers
for the
current
SOA-Track
session and
just let me
know about how
much
presentation
time I'll
have? Is this
something we
can work out
later (maybe
in tomorrow's
PMC call?)
So,
I don't think
I'll be able
to put
something
together for
the editor by
today's
deadline, but
I could
certainly ride
your coattails
if you'll let
me ;)
[marc.gille]
Coattail right
away.
I'll
have much more
free time over
the Christmas
holidays to
devote to a
presentation -
what kind of
integration/tutorial
were you
thinking about
Marc?
[marc.gille]
Most
importantly
all tools to
be used in an
integrated
fashion. At
least your
modeler and
Stardust (and
its Browser
Modeler)
should work
seamlessly as
we are both
using BPMN2
metamodel.
Some
Web Service +
UI Mashup,
deploy, run,
beers.
That
was my
thinking.
Cheers!
Bob
Gents,
this is what I have
submitted:
http://www.eclipsecon.org/2013/sessions/soa-track
Happy to adjust (or you
do). Bob, any
chance that
you could join
the mix?
Marc
Great, so we need to make a submission,
deadline is
today :). Can
somebody (Marc
or Marc) do
this, and put
us three as
authors? I'm
traveling and
don't have a
laptop...
Adrian.
Sent from my
iPhone.
Hi Adrian, Marc
The other Marc
(I) is also
interested, as
I said in my
email replying
to Marc's
"Attendees SOA
Track" email.
I'd submit
updates to my
ECE talks,
with new stuff
& demos
since EasySOA
will have
ended by then.
Regards,
Marc
Le 16/11/2012
18:16, Mos,
Adrian a
écrit :
Hi Marc,
So far it seems we are the only ones
interested in
proposing a
session. It
would be great
if you could
put a
submission in,
you can add me
as a
co-author. I
suggest
keeping it
simple for
now, basically
just saying
that following
our successful
SOA Symposium
in ECON EU, we
are planning
to provide a
more focused
tutorial,
focused on
practical
demos, to keep
the momentum
going. There
are many
things
happening in
this space and
we can
certainly show
interesting
things in
Boston. One
idea is to
also have a
talk accepted,
like the
Modelling
Symposium,
with lightning
talks from
various
projects:
http://www.eclipsecon.org/2013/sessions/modelling-symposium
I will be away from Sunday for a week but I
can keep in
touch by
email.
Cheers,
Adrian.
I also think we should.
But I cannot
work on
anything
before
tomorrow
afternoon.
Happy to draft
sth after.
Marc
Hi Guys,
the submission deadline to ECON 2013 is
Monday. Are we
going to
propose a
follow-up
session to our
SOA Symposium?
I think we
should… What
are your
thoughts?
Adrian.
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