Hi Chris,
Thanks for highlighting that! I’m a contributor to both of these initiatives and we are aware of each other and want to collaborate.
For this reason, particularly collaboration with the forming group in the Foundation is an explicit goal.
Let me extend on this a little. FWIW, I was a core team member of the Rust Project and am one of the initial signatories of the Rust
Foundation.
We’ve had a few discussions about that beforehand decided to propose this groups for several reasons:
- Eclipse SDV has a number of Rust projects of considerable size. Exchange of
practice between those is a discussion not fit for the other groups, but a useful one to have. This goes to the point where the next community day is focused on Rust and it’s a frequent topic at previous community days.
- The Rust Foundation group will highly likely drive evolution of the compiler
and core tooling first and foremost at the beginning. That may change, the group has neither goal nor charter yet and is aiming for a first meeting in September @ RustConf. It will not be active before.
- It is useful to build experience in how to interact with all of those bodies
(e.g. the Rust Foundation and the Rust Project are separate), something we can be very confusing to people. If we do that withing Eclipse and have a touch point, we keep the load off the other entities.
Also, with my background in the Rust project and e.g. how the interaction with the embedded working group went, it has always been good
for the project for interest groups to form independently, rather than attempting to unify too strongly.
Greetings from Berlin,
Florian
Managing Director
AG Charlottenburg, HRB 200196
Geschäftsführung: Felix Gilcher, Florian Gilcher
From: Chris Clark <Chris.Clark@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2024 23:52
To: Software Defined Vehicle Working Group <sdv-wg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Florian Gilcher <florian.gilcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Proposal to form a Rust SiG within Eclipse SDV
There are a number of Rust initiatives with SAE, Rust Foundation, and a few others.
I would suggest a collaborative effort as they are focusing on safety.
Hello Eclipse SDV!
I’d like to file a proposal for the creation of a Rust SiG within the Eclipse Foundation, within the Eclipse SDV group. With an initial focus on Eclipse SDV, I propose the group to be open to everyone with Rust needs, we don't see use in further compartmentalization
within Eclipse around the topic of Rust.
This is the first time I'm filing such a group, I'm happy about comments and questions!
# Rationale
Over recent years Rust has established itself as a language for mission-critical applications in cloud and system programming. A mature ecosystem has evolved providing open source libraries and tools supported by an active community. The wider adoption of Rust
in the automotive industry has begun. Within Eclipse SDV we see the first projects being written in Rust, e.g. SommR, a SOME/IP implementation, or Ankaios, a workload manager for edge- and automotive systems.
The Eclipse SDV working group is fostering open source and technical innovation for the transition into the era of software-defined vehicles. We believe that a Special Interest Group for Rust will support its adoption and further strengthen the collaboration
between automotive companies, cloud providers and the Rust community. Rust has the potential to become a foundational enabler for safety-certifiable open source software, the SiG aims to be in the center of that evolution.
The group should focus on work output first and foremost and be rooted in the practical projects Eclipse SDV implements.
# Scope
Initial focus areas of the Rust Special Interest Group are:
* Exchange experience and discuss opportunities and challenges around the adoption of Rust in the automotive and other safety-critical industries
* Create and publish documents for practical guidance
* Advise and promote Rust-based SDV projects
* Promotion and potential future creation of open source tooling
* Collaboration with the Rust Foundation on the topic of safety Rust
* Recommendations for changes for the upstream Rust project
# Initial interested participants
A number of people have already shown interest in such a group, among them:
Florian Gilcher/ Ferrous Systems
Pietro Albini/ Ferrous Systems
Daniel Krippner/ ETAS
Michael Fait/ Thoughtworks
Andrew Banks/ LDRA/ MISRA
Wanja Zaeske/ DLR
Thomas Fleischmann/ CARIAD
Florian Bartels/ Elektrobit
Daniel Silverstone/ Codethink
Not all of them are Eclipse members (yet), but all are around the Eclipse SDV space.
Greetings from Berlin,
Florian
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