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RE: [platform-ui-dev] Working sets on a workbench window

I like the proposal and goal.  As Ed alludes, I find it weird that a view could choose to show anything other than the global working set.  The price of all the manual toggling, and of easily getting into a state where the content of views is matched doesn't seem to be worth the benefit.  Is there really a case where I want choose one working set but to see markers and breakpoints from another?  Seems that I would just include the corresponding resources in both working sets instead.

 

Thinking longer-term, it would be great if improvements in working sets could deprecate most needs for multiple workspaces and the need for a “Switch Workspace” UI.  You've probably considered this, but I wonder if there is potential for a more radical approach where understanding of working sets get pushed down to the resource level.  So when you select your global working set, the workspace itself filters things that aren't part of it.  If you ask IWorkspaceRoot for all the projects, you only get the ones in the working set, only get notified of resource deltas for resources in the working set, etc.  This could address Martin's concern about the many non-SDK views that aren't aware of working sets.   It could also get rid of things like the need for "Build Working Set" since the current working set (or entire workspace) would always be built, and could make runtime configurations use the global working set transparently when "Workspace Plug-ins" is enabled.  Might be too radical, but it seems that the more the user can depend on a single mechanism for toggling the active working set the better.

 

Mik

 


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Because working sets have been overloaded to include things like breakpoint sets.


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Pardon the question, but if there's a global working set then why would one realistically need or want to pick a working set in each view?
 


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As I see it, Dirk's proposal has the advantage that it means no changes at all for viewers that already support working sets. Opening the normal working set selection dialog, a view can select the 'global working set', which is just a redirection. The working set selection dialog is all controlled by platform, so views don't need to know about the special characteristics of the global working set. The advantage is also that a view could choose not to take the global working set but a different one. It can be discussed if that feature really will be used, but it seem to be a compromise so that also friends of the old behavior are not broken.


Martin



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For M3 we propose the following.  Working sets are selected per Window.  While the suggestion of a global working set (global being understood as one per window) would make the listening scenario a little simpler for views, it would still be necessary for views to look at the global working set to filter out working set types that are not meaningful for a particular view.  So since views need to do this anyway, it does not seem like a big benefit and is not worth doing.  Also we need to consider what type this global working set is, how to make it read only etc...

The goal is to allow views to remove as much of the working set related menu/toolbar items that have in favour of putting it in one place, if this does not support that goal then we are keen to make sure it does.


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Cool ! I am missing that feature as well. That's why I started hacking on a
comparable
feature in July. Here is what I did. May be it is of any help:

- added a special working set (global working set) which is simply a
reference to
an existing working set

- views (e.g. package explorer) selected the global working set for
filtering

- changing the global working set to reference another working set updated
all views referencing this working set since the global working set
changed.

The nice thing was that this didn't require any additional code on the view
part
side.

Dirk


                                                                       
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Yes.  For instance, the package explorer currently has a menu item to
select the visible working sets (when you're in the working set
mode).  With this new API, you could simply show all working sets
that are of the java type and listen for changes so that you can
update your tree appropriately.

On 9-Sep-05, at 10:27 AM, Dirk Baeumer wrote:

> Kimberly
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> can you explain the purpose of the new API to me. Is the idea that
> view
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> changes and update there current working set accordingly.
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> How would a view tracking this know to update?
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> Next weeks integration build will introduce the following new API on
> IWorkbenchPage:
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> IWorkingSet[] getWorkingSets();
> void setWorkingSets(IWorkingSet[])
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> The intention of these methods is to allow you to specify what
> working sets should be visible across all components within a given
> workbench window.  Currently this API is not being used by any
> downstream component but we're making it public (and visible) now to
> gauge interest.
>
> By visible I am referring to a new action that's been added to the
> Resource Navigation action set.
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> You will see in your toolbar and in your Window menu a pulldown
> action called Working Sets.  The children of this action represent
> all working sets registered with the system IWorkingSetManager and
> are either checked or unchecked.  If they're checked, they're
> contained in the array returned by IWorkbenchPage.getWorkingSets().
>
> The notable problems with the implementation as it currently sits are
> as follows:
>      The "Edit..." action currently opens the "Select Working Set"
> dialog despite there being no selection required.  We will replace
> this with a more particular editing dialog at some later point.
>      The dropdown won't scale when the user has a large number of
> working sets.
>      The action needs a toolbar icon.
>      The action probably doesn't belong in the Resource Navigation
> action set.
> Please don't log these bugs.  We've already done so :)
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