Re: [platform-text-dev] Vote: Move Platform Text into Platform UI

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Markus,

thanks for sharing your perspective but I disagree with yours statements.

Most of the commits done in platform.ui have been code cleanup,
internal code updates or fixes of broken features. Take the "Customize
Perspective Dialog" as an example which was broken for several years.
The other big work item (which is still WIP), was the enablement of
part of the tests in the Gerrit build trigger, which also has improved
stability.

>From my personal experience I think Eclipse 4.2 was broken to a point
in which it was not usable, fortunately this has lead to a new team to
pick up these challenges. AFAIK stability and performance of platform
UI has significantly improved in the last years with the help of all
involved parties, including you and AFAIK the majority of the users of
the IDE report that 4.5 is way better than 4.2 (which followed the old
programming model you described).

Also the targets for Eclipse 4.6 reflect this IMHO, please see
https://wiki.eclipse.org/Platform_UI/Plan/4.6 for details.

It is true that we in platform ui also pay attention to features that
are important for users. But I think that is a good thing.

And if you change things, sometimes things break. The only way to
avoid this, is not do nothing or only very little and this attitude
has lead in the past to the impression that Eclipse is a dead project.

Best regards, Lars

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Markus Keller <markus_keller@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> +1, with concerns:
>
> I think this is not a good move for a few reasons: Code quality inevitably
> deteriorates when nobody feels responsible for a component. Platform UI is a
> prime example for this. The bigger a project grows, the less developers feel
> attached to their components, and the more commits go in without a proper
> review and without anyone spending time thinking about the consequences of a
> change. More and more Platform UI committers nowadays just seem to be
> interested in self-promotion and adding small bloggable features, rather
> than keeping up the big picture of a stable and dependable platform. The
> more components that move into this mode, the more fragile the whole
> platform becomes.
>
> However, given that the Platform Text project is already at the edge of
> being dysfunctional, and there's little hope for getting new committers on
> board that have time to work on this component, I don't think we really have
> a choice.
>
> Markus
>
>
>
>
> From:        Daniel Megert/Zurich/IBM@IBMCH
> To:        "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list."
> <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Eclipse Platform Text component developers
> list" <platform-text-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date:        2015-10-15 14:59
> Subject:        [platform-text-dev] Vote: Move Platform Text into Platform
> UI
> Sent by:        platform-text-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Dear Platform Text and Platform UI committers
>
> In https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/platform-text-dev/msg00484.html
> Andrey brought up the discussion to move Platform Text under Platform UI.
> The PMC has looked at this and is OK with the move if both, the Platform
> Text and the Platform UI committers agree to the following:
>
> - Platform Text committers automatically become Platform UI committers
> - Platform UI accepts the additional responsibility for the Platform Text
> code base
> - It is expected from both camps that for design discussion original
> committers are consulted
> - The current Platform Text lead (me) becomes a co-lead on Platform UI
>
> I hereby ask you to cast your vote for this proposal. We use the same rules
> as for committer votes. The vote is open for 7 days.
>
> Thanks,
>
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