Re: [platform-dev] MacOS .dmg vs .tar.gz

[Liviu Ionescu <ilg@xxxxxxxxxx>]

If you remove the attribute from the archive, you can extract the content and run it from any folder.

If you extract the archive with the attribute present, the attribute is copied to the extracted Eclipse, and it remains protected even if you move it to another folder.

> drag the bundle into /Applications

That's the main problem with the DMGs the Eclipse Foundation provide, that they contain the /Application folder and invite users to move Eclipse there.

This is an unfortunate suggestion, since it implies that there can be only a single instance of Eclipse in the entire system, while in practice it is better to have multiple Eclipses, for different projects.


Can we remove the /Application folder and the arrow suggesting to move Eclipse there from the DMGs?


Regards,

Liviu


> On 13 Oct 2020, at 20:48, Homer, Tony <tony.homer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> A .dmg is an installer.  In the case of the Eclipse macOS installer, I imagine it mostly just extracts the archive and moves it into the Applications folder.
> Originally I was going to say that it wouldn’t be unreasonable to publish a .tar.gz for macOS but thanks Mikael Barbero for calling outhttps://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=507328.  The comments are very informative and the (accidentally) linked article (https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/app-translocation.html) is interesting as well.
>  
> Based on reading all of that, I think it would be best to stick with .dmg.
> Providing instructions with a .tar.gz to drag the bundle into /Applications would take care of the issue if users actually read it and heed the warning ☺
> But my guess is most people would extract the .tar.gz and run it from ~/Downloads without reading anything, then get into trouble and be mad/sad.
>  
> Liviu, thanks for linking to your package page which has the instructions, but according to one of the comments removing that flag was not enough:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=507328#c15
> Maybe things have improved since Sierra, but even so, for most users it seems like moving the bundle out of Downloads would be preferable to changing file attributes.
>  
> Tony Homer
>  
>  
> From: <platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Mikael Barbero <mikael.barbero@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:45 AM
> To: "Eclipse platform general developers list." <platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [platform-dev] MacOS .dmg vs .tar.gz
>  
>> I always released my macOS package as a .tar.gz and they work very well. Just that you have to remove the quarantine attribute added by the browser after download:
>> 
>> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.embed-cdt/downloads
>  
> You're right, it can also be done this way. However, to offer a seamless experience to the end users, one have to deliver a .dmg (or .pkg).
>  
> 
> Mikaël Barbero 
> Manager — Release Engineering and Technology | Eclipse Foundation
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