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Re: [photran] [tools-pmc] Removing the Parallel EPP download
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Dear Maria Teresa,
I doubt you will have any one stepping forward to take in charge
photran, simply because people (still) developing in fortran tend
to be scientists of other disciplines than computer science and
probably do not have time or skills to help maintaining photran.
Nonetheless, I really hope I am wrong, and someone will step
forward to improve the link with the debugger and maybe even ease
parallel debugging and profiling on heterogeneous architecture
(CPU and GPU not from the same brand) or simply ease documenting
using the same markers as FORD
(https://github.com/Fortran-FOSS-Programmers/ford).
Also, while I am in the wish list for Santa, I am a bit surprised
that my (numerous) .csv files are quite permanently searched for
binaries and would like to avoid that. So, if anyone knows where
to go in the preferences to remove .csv in the extension list to
be searched, I am interested! ;-)
Cordialement,
Michel DEVEL
Le 07/12/2023 à 17:21, Eclipse
Management Office EMO via photran a écrit :
HI Jonah,
EMO hasn't formally scheduled the termination. We were giving
some extra time to the community to push back or propose a
different solution.
At this point, I'm not sure we need to schedule a
termination review at all, but we do need someone to step
forward. And we need to decide where we should move this
project.
For those reasons, I believe a restructuring review would
be more appropriate, but I'm holding off until we have
collected all possible solutions for the Photran project.
Hope this answers your question.
Maria Teresa
Hi Maria Teresa,
I am simply proposing we wait (maybe) 2 more weeks
before archiving to give such a candidate a chance to come
forward. As of now I know of no one.
BTW, I am a little unfamiliar with the process and I
may have misunderstood your previous emails. Is there
already a termination review started? It seems not as it
isn't listed on
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/tools.ptp.photran/governance.
I would like to make sure that we don't declare the
review complete for a couple of weeks.
Jonah
Thanks Jonah, all,
I believe we can hold on the termination and
archiving given the pushback from the community.
However, we would need someone to do minimum
maintenance work on the project to keep it alive, and
we need to decide where should we move this project,
since its parent PTP project was terminated recently.
We could either move directly under the Tools TLP, or
under a similar-related project (this could help solve
the issue of maintenance). Do you happen to have any
candidates in mind?
Kind regards,
Maria Teresa
Hi folks, Thank you for the feedback on your
uses.
For those not following the photran mailing
list a couple of additional people have stepped
forward saying they still use it, but will stick
with last release version.
@EMO I'm not sure what procedure or timeline should
be here - but a number of users have stated they
still use Phortan, but as of now no one has stepped
forward with interest in doing ongoing maintenance.
I would like to delay the archiving and give the
termination review a little more time to sit in the
community in case there are people who do want to
step forward to maintain it going forward.
Thanks
Hi Maria Teresa,
I didn't have any answer and I have been
away from my desk for the last week, but FTR
Jeffrey had an answer that didn't make it to
tools-pmc
here on
the phortan list:
No insights from me
Jonah,
I will be fine if this
project terminates.
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I have had two people come in relatively
quickly (Bernard and Yehuda) but their emails
are having trouble making it to the lists (I
will individually forward them to the list so
they get archived). As part of the termination
review I think we need to ensure their voices
are heard, and in particular if any of them
are willing to step up and take on the ongoing
maintenance of PTP/Phortran now that Jeff and
Greg has stepped back from the project.
Jonah
Dear all,
it's been a week since my last email.
Kind regards,
Maria Teresa
Dear PMC, Jeffrey, Jonah,
Do any of you have any insights
regarding this project? Should we
consider it for termination as well?
or would you prefer moving this
project directly under the Tools TLP?
Look forward to receiving your
feedback.
Maria Teresa Delgado
Hi folks,
The PTP project has started a
termination review and its JIPP
has already been shutdown. As the
PTP project was the main added
value of the Parallel package
(compared to CPP package) we are
going to remove it from EPP (and
PTP from SimRel) as there isn't
any way to build updates.
FTR I am sad to see this
package go, it still gets many
downloads so some users are likely
to miss it, but unless someone
steps forward to maintain the PTP
project I can't see how it can
have a reasonable future.
Thank you Greg and everyone
else for your contributions to PTP
and Parallel package.
Jonah
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