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[modeling-pmc] Re: SV: MOFScript move to M2T (was: M2T MTL)
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Rich,
I think there's an Xpand in GMF too, org.eclipse.gmf.xpand. As I said at
the ESE, not only do we have diversity, we have duplication. We'd like to
remove EMF's version of JET, but with resource constraints, that might not
be possible this release either. :-( I assume removing the GMF version
of Xpand will be easier.
I think what's important long term is that we have a clean set of
alternatives in the M2T project, so personally I'd rather see only a
compliant version
Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
905-413-3265 (t/l 313)
Richard Gronback
<richard.gronback
@borland.com> To
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA,
11/08/2007 03:25 Oldevik Jon
PM <Jon.Oldevik@xxxxxxxxx>, PMC
members mailing list
<modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
cc
Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, "Olsen
Gøran K."
<Goran.K.Olsen@xxxxxxxxx>,
<jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx>, Bezivin Jean
<Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject
Re: SV: MOFScript move to M2T (was:
M2T MTL)
Copying the PMC mailing list to keep this discussion open and transparent.
If there is doubt that what?s in CVS has been properly cleared by the IP
process, it needs to be removed until it has been.
Now that I more carefully read the MOFScript description, I see what?s
implemented was a proposal for the MOF to Text Transformation Language RFP.
To me ?adding an implementation of the standard means? means we?ll have 1.
JET in EMF 2. JET2 3. Xpand 4. MOFScript and 5. Some variant of
MOFScript that is MOF2Text compliant. I?ve got no problem with variety,
but this seems like a lot of M2T flavors to me.
FYI, SVN will work with PDE build for fetching, but you?ll need help:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/svn-pde-build/ We use it for commercial
product builds, but note that SVN is not supported by the releng tools, nor
will it tag during the build, afaik (unless it?s a new feature, or I missed
it).
Best Regards,
Rich
On 11/8/07 11:01 AM, "Paul Elder" <pelder@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All:
Here's a summary of our call. The plan:
1) Jon to prepare and initial draft of Move Review "docuWare", and
send it to Paul for comment.
2) Present it to the PMC for comment. (Hopefully, we can do by next
week.)
3) Put this to a vote of M2T committers.
4) Talk to the foundation about IP issues.
5) Schedule a Move Review (earliest possible is Dec 5).
From what I can tell from the foundation, the Move Review docuWare
must include:
* What is MOFScript and future plans
* Reasons for the move
* Names of committers who are moving
* Move plan:
* Any CQs (IP reviews) required
* source code repository
* bugzilla
* newsgropus
* builds
* web pages/downloads
MOFScript future directions
* MOFScript is NOT currently an implementation of the OMG MOF Model
to text standard
* Sintef is planning on adding an implementation of the OMG standard
- current estimates are that this would occur in the next 6 months or
so (but likely not in time for Ganymede).
Finally, some IP and process issues were identified.
IP Issues
* There may not have been a contribution questionaire for the
MOFScript code currently in CVS.
* Sintef is using a non-Eclipse.org SVN repository for primary work
and then does periodic commits to Eclipse CVS. Their use of bugzilla
is currently inconsistent - they frequently make changes in reponse
to GMT newsgroup posts.
**** All this suggests that a new contribution questionaire may be in
order ****
Process
* Moving forward, MOFScript should:
* Use Bugzilla to track all changes/contributions
* Use an Eclipse repository as the primary code repository.
* Use the modeling build infrastructure. (It is unclear whether
Nick's modeling build will work with SVN. If not, a move to CVS may
be required.)
Paul
Paul Elder
IBM Rational Software
Tel: +1-613-599-3916
E-mail: pelder@xxxxxxxxxx
Oldevik Jon <Jon.Oldevik@xxxxxxxxx> 2007-11-07 09:30 AM
To
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
cc
Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, "Olsen Gøran K."
<Goran.K.Olsen@xxxxxxxxx>, jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx, Bezivin Jean
<Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Richard Gronback
<richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject
SV: MOFScript move to M2T (was: M2T MTL)
Thursday @ 1600 CET is good. We'll be one the phone at that time
tomorrow.
Cheers,
Jon
________________________________
Fra: Paul Elder [mailto:pelder@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sendt: on 07.11.2007 15:26
Til: Oldevik Jon
Kopi: Ed Merks; Olsen Gøran K.; jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx; Bezivin Jean;
Richard Gronback
Emne: Re: MOFScript move to M2T (was: M2T MTL)
Jon:
How about Thursday @ 1600 CET, 1000 EDT:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2007&month=11&day=8&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=187&p2=188
I have a conference call number that purported allows toll-free
dialing from Europe:
Moderator: Mr. Paul Elder
Conference ID: 1556241
Local Dial-in number: 613-787-5018
Toll-free Dial-in number: 1 866-842-3549
International Toll-free Dial-in number: 800-4444-7070
Norway: 00 800-4444-7070
Information: 1 866 224-5844
However, other's using the number have found that they had to go
through an operator. If the conference ID is not recognized, try
again. After the third failure, you will be transfered to an operator
who will ask for the conference ID (1556241), sponsoring company
(IBM) and meeting organizer (Paul Elder). Alternatively, pressing *0
will bring you directly to an operator.
Paul Elder
IBM Rational Software
Tel: +1-613-599-3916
E-mail: pelder@xxxxxxxxxx
Oldevik Jon <Jon.Oldevik@xxxxxxxxx>
2007-11-07 03:52 AM
To
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, "Olsen Gøran K."
<Goran.K.Olsen@xxxxxxxxx>
cc
Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, Richard Gronback
<richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Bezivin Jean
<Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx
Subject
SV: MOFScript move to M2T (was: M2T MTL)
Hi Paul,
We are in CET (GMT + 1), that is 6 hours before eastern time. A good
time for us between 14.00 - 16.00 CET, which would be 08.00 - 10.00
eastern time. Thursday or Friday this week should be good for a call,
or some time next week.
Regards,
Jon Oldevik
SINTEF ICT
Oslo, NORWAY
________________________________
Fra: Paul Elder [mailto:pelder@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sendt: ti 06.11.2007 20:21
Til: Olsen Gøran K.; Oldevik Jon
Kopi: Ed Merks; Richard Gronback; Bezivin Jean; jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx
Emne: Re: MOFScript move to M2T (was: M2T MTL)
Jon & Goran:
First, I'm very interested in welcoming MOFScript to the M2T project.
I asked the EMO what the process is for the move; the details are
below. To summarize:
* Create move review "docuware" explaining the rationale and a move
plan.
* Get Modeling PMC approval
* Schedule a Move Review with the EMO
* EMO will want to review committer paper work
* EMO may need a contribution questionaire for the code.
Let's schedule a call to start working out the details. I'm in the
North American Eastern time zone (GMT - 5), and am typically
available between 0800 and 1600 Eastern. What time would work for
you?
Paul Elder
IBM Rational Software
Tel: +1-613-599-3916
E-mail: pelder@xxxxxxxxxx
----- Forwarded by Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM on 2007-11-06 01:33 PM -----
Anne Jacko <emo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2007-11-06 12:27 PM
To
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
cc
Janet Campbell <janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject
Re: Question: What's the component move process?
Hi Paul (cc Janet),
Given the circumstances, you will need a Move Review, and you will
need to submit a CQ for the code (unless Janet, cc'd above, says
otherwise). I believe the next date for a review call will probably
be the first Wednesday in December (Dec. 5) but I'm not sure about
that yet.
Here's some general information about Move Reviews. Some of it
doesn't apply to your case (because you're not moving a project and
not moving between top-level projects), and some of it we have
already discussed in these emails. The key items for you are
reviewing committer paperwork and an IP review (CQ) for the code.
Please let me know if you have any questions--thanks.
----------------------------
Information for Project Leads about Move Reviews
For your Move Review, you'll need PMC approval for the move from the
"sending" PMC and the "receiving" PMC, and the review docuware. In
some cases you will also need IP clearance for the review--please be
sure to find out if you need to submit a Contribution Questionnaire
for moving the code.
For a Move Review, the docuware describes the reasons for the move,
and includes the steps you will go through to facilitate the move
(aka your Move Plan). Please consider these items when writing your
Move Plan:
1. Asking the Eclipse Legal department to review committer paperwork
to see if committers need new agreements
2. Web page updates (for both top-level projects and for the
(sub)project)
3. Bugzilla changes to reflect new top-level parent project
4. Newsgroup name change
5. Mailing list name change
Here are some general comments about review docuware that might be
helpful:
Many people underestimate the time and effort needed to create the
docuware, so please be sure to allow enough time for this task. The
"official" due date for the docuware is one week before the review
call (T - one week). However, the docuware needs to be reviewed by
the EMO before posting. If you wait until the due date to submit the
first draft and the EMO requests changes, then you'll probably miss
your deadline and your review will be postponed. We strongly suggest
this timeline for submitting docuware:
T - two weeks: submit first draft via e-mail to EMO
T - 10 days: submit final draft
T - one week (due date): EMO posts final version on website before
announcing review call
Please note that that we need both a vendor-neutral format file (PDF)
and the source format that you used to create it; we archive both
versions.
Many projects overlook these items when they do their first draft:
* page (slide) numbers * copyright notice * EPL notice * IP Log URL
The docuware should also include the Bugzilla URL for the bug we use
for comments and voting. The EMO will open this bug when you submit
the first draft of the docuware and supply the URL for inclusion in
subsequent versions.
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Anne Jacko
emo@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Nov 6, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Paul Elder wrote:
Anne:
Answers:
- Do you plan to move just code, or will committers be "moving" as
well?
PE> Code and committers
- Has a CQ been submitted for this code?
PE> Code in CVS, but I cannot find any CQs. Original CVS commits were
12 months ago. In fact, I suspect an IP review might be a good idea.
- Is the code moving permanently?
PE> Yes, it would be a permanent move.
Paul Elder
IBM Rational Software
Tel: +1-613-599-3916
E-mail: pelder@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pelder@xxxxxxxxxx>
Anne Jacko <emo@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxx> >
2007-11-06 11:30 AM
To
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
cc
Subject
Re: Question: What's the component move process?
Hi Paul,
The process for moving code varies with the situation. Let me ask a
few questions to see what applies in this case:
- Do you plan to move just code, or will committers be "moving" as
well?
- Has a CQ been submitted for this code?
- Is the code moving permanently?
Thanks.
Anne Jacko
emo@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Nov 6, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Paul Elder wrote:
Anne:
What is the process for moving a component from one project to
another. FYI, the component in question is MOFScript, currently in
the GMT project under Modeling. The suggested new home would be in
the M2T project (again, under Modeling).
Thanks in advance,
Paul
Paul Elder
IBM Rational Software
Tel: +1-613-599-3916
E-mail: pelder@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pelder@xxxxxxxxxx>
----- Forwarded by Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM on 2007-11-06 10:51 AM -----
"Jean Bezivin" <Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Sent by: jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jbezivin@xxxxxxxxx>
2007-11-05 09:11 AM
To
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
cc
"Richard Gronback" <richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx> >, Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA,
Goran.K.Olsen@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Goran.K.Olsen@xxxxxxxxx> , "Oldevik
Jon" <Jon.Oldevik@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Jon.Oldevik@xxxxxxxxx> >
Subject
Re: M2T MTL
Dear Paul, Rich and Ed,
I got Goran and Jon from Sintef from SINTEF on the phone.
Yes they would be interested now in moving an updated MOFScript
version
from GMT to M2T.
I put them in copy of this mail and let Paul discuss with them.
Best regards,
Jean
On 11/1/07, Paul Elder <pelder@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pelder@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
Rich & Jean:
Yes, Compuware has abandoned MTL.
And, yes, if the MOFScript group is interested in moving to M2T, they
would be welcomed.
If its OK with everyone, I'll take MTL off the M2T page. If, at a
later date, MOFScript joins M2T, then it should probably join under
that name.
Paul
Paul Elder
IBM Rational Software
Tel: +1-613-599-3916
E-mail: pelder@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pelder@xxxxxxxxxx>
Richard Gronback <richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx> >
2007-11-01 02:25 PM
To
Jean Bezivin <Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
cc
Paul Elder/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA, Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
Subject
Re: M2T MTL
Thanks, Jean.
This may be a good idea, but I'll leave it to Paul to comment on this
further.
Best,
Rich
On 11/1/07 11:52 AM, "Jean Bezivin" < Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:Jean.Bezivin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
> Rich,
>
> When M2T graduated, I explicitly asked them if they would like to
join M2T
> and quit GMT. At that time they preferred to stay in GMT to be able
> to explore research alternatives to model to text transformations.
> This was OK to me.
>
> Now we may put the question again to them. They may have changed
their view.
> The project is lead by SINTEF from Norway.
>
> If you wish I may contact them about this possibility.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jean
>
>
>
>
>> With that, I see MOFScript on the GMT homepage that is also an
>> implementation of this spec (although each is worded differently
in their
>> description than the OMG spec itself). Perhaps MOFScript can
graduate to
>> M2T and fill this slot? Or, should we just remove the MTL
reference from
>> M2T? Or, is there another explanation that can clear this up for
me?
--
Richard C. Gronback
Borland Software Corporation
richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx
+1 860 227 9215
