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RE: [modeling-pmc] feedback on GMT web site


I don't really agree with your take on this. We have lots of nice logos and
I'd not want to give up my EMF one:

I'm not sure how many of the logos on the GMT page are non-Eclipse in
nature and that would be somewhat my concern:

But I personally think the ATL logo is a very nice Eclipse-branded logo
that helps to build up the repertoir of Eclipse bands and trademarks:

It's certainly important to have better integration between projects, I
heard that message loud and clear at ESE and we are lacking in this area,
but diversity also has great value and allowing folks their own space in
which to exist seems necessary to foster that...

Consider projects too like RAP:

There isn't even an attempt to define what Ajax means.  It's even lost the
capitalization that you'd expect from an acryonym.  For example,  ifRAP is
fine (, it seems kind of a double standard to
say ATL is not.

Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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What I would suggest is that the components of GMT should not have a
logo/graphic and have a descriptive name not a nickname.  I think this
would go a long way to improving the situation.   Btw, this goes for all
the modeling sub-projects, for instance
Having all these different logos in my opinion conveys a perception that
there is no strategy or integration between the components or the projects.

My 2 cents?.


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I agree with you.

I also agree that we have to improve much the organization of GMT.

For oAW matters, I will transmit these remarks to Markus Voelter.
I will discuss with him directly next week at OOPSLA because
he will be there.

Bjorn, will you be at OOPSLA and if yes would it be possible
to have a short meeting with Markus to stress the importance
of what has been said?

Best regards,


On 10/19/07, Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'll draw Nick's attention to that link gone astray...

I agree with you.  As the various parts of the oAW technology are
incorporated into the other projects, like Xpand into M2T and MWE into
EMFT, I'll ask folks to avoid any non-Eclipse branding on the site.  You
won't find IBM/Rational branding nor Borland branding at Eclipse, so we
ought not be to seeing anything that isn't part of Eclipse's branding.
We'll queue up this topic for discussion at the next PMC meeting.

It would be good to improve GMT's image as well.  What are your thoughts on

this Jean?

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Modeling PMC,

Today, I was looking at the open Achitectureware project and in general the

GMT project.   I don?t usually provide feedback on project specific
branding and marketing but I thought compelled to do so in this case.

IMHO, from a branding and marketing perspective, the open Architectureware
project looks out of place in the context of the Eclipse community.   They
essentially look like they have parachuted in their existing project into
an Eclipse project web page.  They actually also seem to have another
project web site  I find it all very
confusing and probably detrimental to the Eclipse brand.

If I look at the GMT site, it seems like the open architectureware scenario

plays out again and again.   I see lots of project logos and cool names
that seem to have very little to do with Eclipse?  The perception I am left
with is that GMT is hovering up existing modeling projects but not really
integrating them into Eclipse?  I think what you are doing is creating an
incubator for new modeling projects, which is great, but in my opinion what
you are communicating is something very different and will hurt the
perception of the overall modeling project.

As I said, I usually don?t provide this type of feedback but in this case I
just had to say something.   I?d be happy to discuss further and if you

Btw, when I went to try to find the PMC mailing list, the link on this page points to


Ian Skerrett
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