RE: [modeling-pmc] Contribution: template engine for GMF

[Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Artem,

I already said yes.  ;-)  
 And I agree with you completely.


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"Artem Tikhomirov" <Artem.Tikhomirov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Rich,
 1. oaw guys are in cc of
this thread and could express their objections, if any
 2. Definitely. Nobody wants
to keep the code when someone else is ready to take responsibility for
it ;)
 3. It adds one plug-in with
template engine to the SDK. We don't need to bundle tools (like editor,
which is btw much better than one we use for JET) and tests for the engine
with GMF.
 
Ed,
 If we get a ready to use
bundle in 8-10 weeks - that would work. Sorry, I don't belive that would
be the case ;) Even if project creation happens in two months, initial
contributions won't be as straightforward as repackaging. They'll need
to solve a lot of issues, provided there are few contributions, different
in nature but within single home - e.g. what should be kept, what should
be combined/redesigned/etc. Dealing with 3rd party dependencies might add
few more weeks. It was easy to me - GMF was the only client, no need to
answer questions like "is it general enough to suit needs of most
m2t clients", which would have to be answered with M2T contributions.
Therefore, I feel there won't be engine ready in 2 months (sorry, better
be pessimistic here), rather 3-4, which is M4-M5 - bit too late.
 
Best wishes,
Artem Tikhomirov

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Subject: Re: [modeling-pmc] Contribution: template engine for GMF

The sandbox approach is not an option at
this time (per the Board of Directors), afaiu.

I’m not opposed to temporarily housing this derivative of xPand within
an GMF internal package of the tooling component, as long as:

• the oAW team has no objections, as it’s based on their work
• we migrate to M2T version asap (Artem to work with oAW/M2T on contributing his modifications)
• it has minimal impact on the build/packaging/usage of GMF

Thanks,
Rich


On 8/22/06 1:02 PM, "Artem Tikhomirov" <Artem.Tikhomirov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Ed,

 Let me question the 'proper process' term :) What's wrong with GMF having
template engine tailored for its own needs? If there was an engine/project
already and I'd try to parallel it, that might be wrong. There's no project
yet, nor even the proposal is finished, let alone deliverables. To me,
it sounds like few months. Few months mean no chances for GMF 2.0 to use
it - there are certain changes we can't afford to make in M6, for example.
Delaying use of technology for a year just because later there *may* appear
'official' implementation doesn't sound as justification for 'improper'.
Moreover, switch to the 'official' implementation is the goal; intention
of the contribution is just to make it happen in 2.0 timeframe. 

 GMF team is not going to dedicate its efforts to work on template engine,
it's a mere tool for the team to solve some problems more efficiently.
The engine is mature enough for us to just use it.

 Sandboxing activities might sound as a solution, though I doubt can be
done without severely affecting ongoing GMF work for (again) few months.
  Reusing what is there in GMT is not an option because of ANTLR dependency
and few other third-party libraries (e.g. code formatting)

Best wishes,
Artem Tikhomirov

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Artem, 

Being terminally  impatient, I can certainly relate to your desire
to take action now and not  wait around for a bunch of administrative
delays.  But that being said,  the proper process here really
is to get this M2T proposal approved and then  do this work within
the bounds of that project.   Also keep in mind that  any use
of LPG by any project still needs to be legal approved even though OCL
 is already approved to use it; of course this will go much faster
since the  due diligence is already complete.  Could your activities
take place in a  sandbox (i.e., not in public CVS) until this M2T
thing is approved?  Or  could you simply reuse what's in GMT
now until a syntax equivalent version of  it is available from M2T?
  

Sven and Paul, 

Do you guys  have an ETA for when the M2T proposal will be ready to
submit to the EMO?   (The MDT proposal has already been submitted.)


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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Hello,

I'm writing to inform the PMC about intent to provide  significant code contribution to one of Modeling projects, namely GMF. The  contribution is template engine, to be used along with JET engine, which is  the only template engine used in GMF now.

This new template engine is  based on Xpand template engine which is part of openArchitectureWare  framework,  GMT project (http://www.eclipse.org/gmt/oaw). It's  stripped-down version of the framework, with pieces relevant and essential  only for code generation left. All dependencies from 3rd party libraries were  removed and the only one left - parser/grammar framework (ANTLR 2.7), has been  replaced with LPG library (one EMFT uses for OCL). Rest of the original code  is licensed under EPL.

Xpand approach to code generation is different  from JET's and proved to be much more convenient for some tasks we face with  GMF templates. Also, one of initial plan items for GMF states support for  flexible method of generation  (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=114207), thus new engine helps  both GMF developers and GMF users to express their 'textual' intentions with a  language they feel most suitable.

oAW framework and Xpand in particular  are being considered as initial contributions to Model to Text project. Also,  M2T project might have support to switch template engines. However, project  set up and first deliveries are points in distant future (months), and that  just means "no" for GMF 2.0. Using GMF-owned component allows us to start  using new engine soon. Syntax of the new engine is almost identical to that of  original, and there won't be a problem to switch to M2T deliveries once they  are out. Note, however, that proposed contribution in not kind of 'throw away'  stuff, pieces of it might find their way into M2T contributions (e.g. LPG  grammars, test cases, patches and improvements)

Size of the  contribution is about 10KLOC of handwritten code plus few grammar definitions  and LPG generated code. Contribution is thoroughly covered with unit tests  (200+).

I'll need PMC approval to proceed with contribution  questionnaire (http://www.eclipse.org/legal/EclipseLegalProcessPoster.pdf and  http://www.eclipse.org/legal/ContributionQuestionnairePart1-v1.0.php). Please  let me know your opinion and feel free to ask any question about the  contribution. Thank you!

Best wishes,
Artem Tikhomirov  
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