Re: [microprofile-wg] [microprofile] MicroProfile and Jakarta EE, Surviv

[David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mar 24, 2025, at 7:36 AM, Arjan Tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

 

First point is what was the impact on our collective opportunity for Java EE in the industry due to our 7 year gap in delivering new functionality?

While the gap was undoubtedly far too big, and I've too cited this exact gap as the main reason Spring took over to the degree it did, it was actually a little bit less big.

Java EE 8 was released in mid 2017 and Jakarta EE 10 was released mid 2022, so it's 5 years really.

By that measure, yes.  By actual experience in the time between 2014 and 2017 it was in practice dead and we all experienced the extreme stress, duress and despair of that fact.

Those were really the worst years for me at least.

-David

PERHAPS TOO ADVANCED

It is an advanced strategy with some overhead.  Possibly beyond our skill and vision to actually pull off.  While I would be willing to give it another 5 years of effort, it's clear others are not.  This strategy requires a majority to pull off.

If others want to throw in the towel now, I don't fault you.  I just think it's a shame.  I like to play games till I beat them vs just skipping the hard parts.  But I get it.  We will vote -1 and will not interpret those who vote +1 as "not getting it", "bad" or "enemies."  We're still all one team.


IF WE RE-MONOLITH, LET'S DO IT FULLY

If we do move MicroProfile into Jakarta EE, I would want it fully absorbed including a namespace change to jakarta.  My interest in MicroProfile is not emotional but strategic as detailed above.  If we're going back to the monolith, let's do it right and not make our lives harder.



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