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[jakartaee-tck-dev] FW: [External] : Ed cannot attend the TCK call on Wednesday 2024-10-23: Can you please cover these items?
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  • Thread-topic: [External] : [jakartaee-tck-dev] Ed cannot attend the TCK call on Wednesday 2024-10-23: Can you please cover these items?

Forwarding as requested.

 

From: Will Lyons <will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, 23 October 2024 at 8:32 PM
To: jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Alwin Joseph <alwin.joseph@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ed Bratt <ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>, edward.burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <Edward.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [External] : [jakartaee-tck-dev] Ed cannot attend the TCK call on Wednesday 2024-10-23: Can you please cover these items?

Hello –

 

Here is what I said, or thought I said, or intended to say, at the Steering Committee meeting.

 

The following proposal was discussed:

 

  • Ed revived one of the "put aside" proposals from the Platform TCK Team.
    • For discussion let's call this the "10 + 11" proposal.
    • To be a ratifying compatible implementation of the Jakarta EE 11 Platform and Web Profiles, an implementation must:
      • Pass the Jakarta EE 11 Platform TCK according to the "11 with exclusions" proposal.
      • Pass the off-the-shelf Jakarta EE 10 Platform TCK, but with a well-defined set of exclusions, as defined by the Jakarta EE Platform Project team and TCK team.

 

There was discussion about the use of the term “ratifying compatible implementation” above, and what that might imply about the requirements for a “compatible implementation” which was not a “ratifying compatible implementation”.    I believe there should be no difference between what a “ratifying compatible implementation” must pass, and what a (merely) “compatible implementation” must pass.   The use of the word “ratifying” suggests to me that there might be such a difference.   I said that if the proposal were to continue to contain the word “ratifying” that my input would be that Oracle would vote against the proposal.

 

Will

 

 

From: Alwin Joseph <alwin.joseph@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 10:45 AM
To: Will Lyons <will.lyons@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ed Bratt <ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Padmanabhan Cv <padmanabhan.c.v@xxxxxxxxxx>, Gurunandan Rao <gurunandan.rao@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FW: [External] : [jakartaee-tck-dev] Ed cannot attend the TCK call on Wednesday 2024-10-23: Can you please cover these items?

Will – Below was the email sent to jakartaee-tck-dev group.

 

Regards,

Alwin

 

From: jakartaee-tck-dev <jakartaee-tck-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Ed Burns via jakartaee-tck-dev <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, 23 October 2024 at 7:36 AM
To: jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ed Burns <Edward.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [External] : [jakartaee-tck-dev] Ed cannot attend the TCK call on Wednesday 2024-10-23: Can you please cover these items?

Greetings Programs,

 

I double booked myself tomorrow at 11am and cannot attend the all-important TCK call tomorrow.

 

Scott Marlow, I request you to please discuss these four items. I realize I can only request, not demand. But with four weeks to go, including this one, I think we need to discuss them.

 

  1. Can we get everyone behind the proposal I sent to the platform dev mailing list (https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg04515.html ). Copied by value here:

 

The Jakarta EE 11 Web and Platform TCK will consist of

 

A sufficiently complete, refactored, Web and Platform TCK using the new system devised by the Platform TCK project team. (for discussion, “the refactored TCK”)

An exclusion list of tests the Platform TCK project deems can be safely excluded without sacrificing compatibility coverage given the other provisions of this plan.

 

A version of the Jakarta EE 10 TCK designed to certify EE 11 compatible implementations on the required Java versions for Jakarta EE 11. (for discussion, “the traditional TCK”)

 

An exclusion list of tests the Platform TCK project deems can be safely excluded without sacrificing compatibility coverage given the other provisions of this plan.

 

A TCK User Guide describing how to run the previous two parts.

 

Taken together, the two exclusion lists is to provide an acceptable amount of compatibility assertion so that voting members can feel confident in voting to approve the EE 11 Web and Platform ballots.

 

  1. I ask that Arjan and his colleagues refocus their efforts away from developing for the refactored TCK and switch to focus any TCK time they have on the traditional TCK.
  2. I can take responsibility for interviewing the subject matter experts and producing the updates to the TCK User Guide.
  3. Will Lyons also stated that Oracle would not vote in favor of any TCK plan that does not include a plan to deliver a version of the Jakarta EE 11 Web and Platform TCK that does not require the use of a Jakarta EE 10 TCK as the first deliverable after the delivery of EE 11. Can you discuss this as well?

 

Thanks, I’ll check out the recording afterward.

 

Ed

 

 

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