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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : [BALLOT] Proposal for bringing EE 11 Web and Platform specs to ballot by end of CY 2024

Based on our discussion on the call yesterday, I'm not sure if this is still up for consideration but ...

-1, Ed Bratt

I do not think we should be making arbitrary choices about what is tested compatible and what is not tested (excluded). I view a decision such as, "the tests that pass by a certain date are in, those that don't are excluded", as arbitrary. Jakarta EE has a strong reputation of compatibility, version to version. We do not have good data about customer use and I anticipate that Jakarta releases will be in use for years. This could easily lead to protracted vendor support costs and user dissatisfaction when they encounter incompatibilities during their deployment and operational lifecycle on Jakarta  EE 11.

Additionally, while we have not discussed this much, I don't think the documentation for the TCKs has been updated yet to describe how vendors are to run the TCKs in this new model of EE Platform TCK, JUnit-Arquillian plus legacy JavaTest plus Ant. While this may be a 'quick' add to the documentation, it doesn't appear to be available yet and I don't have any basis for evaluating this yet. The EE 10 TCK Users guide is 162 pages. These revisions will require some effort.

I certainly appreciate and applaud the developers who are working diligent and effectively on the TCK refactoring as well as the CI developers who are similarly working hard and collaborating with the TCK team. We cannot do this work without your participation. Thank you.

We should complete the refactoring task before us and deliver Jakarta EE 11 with a complete TCK.

Thank you,

-- Ed

On 11/26/2024 6:13 AM, Ed Burns via jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:

Executive summary


A +1 vote means you, as a Platform Project committer, agree we, as the Platform Project, will submit by 2024-12-27 the ballots for EE 11 Web and Platform profiles with a TCK exclusion list containing all the non-passing appclient tests as of 2024-12-15.

Details


Greetings programs,


As discussed at the 2024-11-19 platform project call (agenda) and discussed at the 2024-11-20 platform TCK project call (agenda), and in my capacity as release co-coordinator for Jakarta EE 11, I am calling a fourteen day BALLOT among platform project members on how we will meet the deadline of submitting the Web and Platform profile ballots before end of CY-2024. If this BALLOT passes, according to the traditional process we use of counting binding votes, the platform project will proceed with producing the artifacts to submit the Web and Platform artifacts to the specification committee as described in the proposal below.

This proposal assumes the platform TCK project can get all non-app client Jakarta EE 11 platform TCK tests passing against the GLASSFISH_8_0_JDK_17 branch when run with Java SE 17 and Java SE 21. If the platform TCK is not able to satisfy this assumption, this proposal is moot.


The proposal is:

  • The Jakarta EE 11 Platform TCK is the fully refactored TCK. None of this hybrid business where we use the EE 10 Platform TCK for some of the tests, and the EE 11 Platform TCK for the rest of them.
  • All app client tests for all vehicles and component sub-modules that are not running by 2024-12-15 are added to the exclusion list.

We start the ballots for Platform and Web by 2024-12-27.


This ballot will run for fourteen consecutive calendar days from the date of this email.

We will count the +1, 0, and -1 votes from all committers to the platform project as "binding" votes. Any other +1, 0, and -1 votes will count as "non-binding" votes. Only the "binding" votes will be considered to decide if the ballot passes. This is exactly the same process the platform project used in 2023-07 when deciding which specs to include in EE 11. For example: Jakarta Data: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg04245.html


Thanks,

Ed

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