Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSS] Mark Application C

[Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 8:49 AM Emily Jiang via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Looks like even in Jakarta EE 11 platform, we could make App Client and Remote EJB optional. If we do that, the TCKs for these areas would be eliminated.

To clarify, Optional features are not allowed in the Platform or Profile specifications. See https://jakarta.ee/committees/specification/versioning for reference.

And, even if they were allowed, they would still need to be covered by the TCK and implemented by at least one implementation.

It is, however, possible to deprecate the app client, and by that (sort of) making the test coverage less relevant.

Anyway, as we learned in the Platform call yesterday, it is _not_ testing the app client itself that is the issue. Those tests pass and are fine. 

The issue is the _usage_ of the app client in the TCK for testing other areas (such as JPA).

Ivar

 

Thanks

Emily

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 2:01 AM Ed Burns via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks for confirming. This indicates another endorsement of being able to release Web Profile separately from Platform Profile.

Ed

From: Scott Stark <starksm64@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 20:49
To: Ed Burns <Edward.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: jakartaee-platform developer discussions <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [DISCUSS] Mark Application Client as deprecated in Jakarta EE 11 Platform Profile?

The only references are in the CDI EE integration part of the specification that is now part of the platform spec.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 6:11 PM Ed Burns <Edward.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello @Scott Stark,

Please do that and get back to us.

Thanks,

Ed

From: Scott Stark <starksm64@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 13:59
To: jakartaee-platform developer discussions <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ed Burns <Edward.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [DISCUSS] Mark Application Client as deprecated in Jakarta EE 11 Platform Profile?

I believe that app client is entirely in the platform, but need to double check CDI for mentions.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024, 11:43 AM Ed Burns via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Greetings Programs,

At the 2024-11-26 Platform Project call, an idea was surfaced, I think originally by Ivar, to not wait until EE 12 to mark the Application Client as deprecated in the Platform Profile. This thread is intended to discuss and determine the feasibility of this idea.

The most important questions seem to be:

• Can this be done without making any changes to any of the component specifications?
• Can this be done entirely and completely by making changes only to the Platform Profile specification text? 

Thanks,

Ed

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