--lukas
> Once again, there are technical reasons for this requirements and
why it
> appeared in very early JavaEE times so don't think we should
loose time
> discussing if it should be but we should more see how we handle the
> coming release and the fact current TCK are not compatible with this
> strong requirement.
>
> I don't have any strong preference for the solution (1. release and
> ignore TCK until they are fixed ASAP after the release 2. have 1-2
> people in task force mode to do the migration in a few days, 3.
others)
> but it should be addressed - to be honest I didn't expect such a
thread
> on that simple topic :(.
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau
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> Le mar. 11 janv. 2022 à 10:43, Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>> a écrit :
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 2:53 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> Well, since at least EE 5 - didnt check before - apps
must not
> use the platform package (was javax, now it is jakarta).
>
>
> Which platform spec section states the rule about
applications not
> creating classes in the Jakarta package? I looked in
>
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> but didn't find it.
>
>
> If any tck uses jakarta package it is a miss/bug in the
> javax->jakarta migration but platform didn't change so it
must
> still be done.
>
>
> If there is stated requirement in the Platform spec for
applications
> to not add Jakarta package classes, the TCKs should respect
that but
> if there is no such requirement, then the discussion should
shift to
> focus on applications.
>
> Any automated tool can do it if you want.
> The impact if you don't do is that a vendor not passing
TCK can
> still claim to be certified since TCK are not compatible with
> the spec, wouldn't be that great right?
>
>
> The Platform TCKs validate the Platform spec requirements. As
> requested above, please provide section of Platform spec that
> requires that applications not create Jakarta namespace classes.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
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> Le mar. 11 janv. 2022 à 01:03, Scott Marlow
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> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
a écrit :
>
>
> On 1/10/22 5:04 PM, Dmitry Kornilov wrote:
>>
>> I’m lost in this conversation and surprised that we are
>> jumping to voting so fast.
>>
> The vote ballot as currently written is now for EE 11
only
> and for new TCKs being added to EE 11, which means the
> answer to the original question that initiated this
> discussion is that the Batch TCK does not need any
changes
> (nor does other TCKs being added to EE 10).
>
>> I couldn’t find the driver for this change.
>>
> The driver was a question about packaging for the Jakarta
> Batch TCK.
>
> I thought the discussion was jumping towards adding a
> Platform requirement for applications to not define
classes
> in the "jakarta" namespace but we didn't seem to get
there.
> IMO, the time to make such an application restriction
would
> of been for EE 9 (since making such a change for EE
10 or 11
> would be a breaking change now, even if it has low likely
> impact on most applications).
>
>> I believe that less renaming is better for the platform.
>> Renaming and especially renaming in TCKs is a big task.
>> Who is going to do this? I am not ready to assign people
>> to it. Last time we changed names for Maven artifacts we
>> introduced the package split problems we still suffering
>> with. So, if you ask me -> NO RENAMING!____
>>
> IMO, if application classes are allowed to define
classes in
> the jakarta namespace, than TCKs should also be
allowed to
> do the same. If we add a breaking Platform SPEC
change to
> EE 10 or 11 to not allow applications to define
classes in
> the jakarta namespace, TCKs should then be updated (new +
> existing) to follow that same rule.
>
> Scott
>
>> __ __
>>
>> -- Dmitry____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> P.S.____
>>
>> Also, I don’t think that it’s up to the platform
group to
>> make this decision. TCKs are a part of
specifications, so
>> it must go through the spec committee to get
approved.____
>>
>> __ __
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>> Jakarta TCK package naming convention____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Done. I thought from the conversation thread, the
package
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>> Anyway, I have added.____
>>
>> Thanks____
>>
>> Emily____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 6:20 PM David Blevins
>> <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:____
>>
>> Can we add the org.jakartatck option to this?____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> -David____
>>
>> __ __
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>>
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