On 1/11/22 8:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> Well, since at least EE 5 - didnt check before - apps must not use the
> platform package (was javax, now it is jakarta).
XML WS spec uses annotations defined by XML Binding spec.
Is XML WS a spec, an application, none or both of them in this context?
Ok, let me try to refine it:
1. anything in jakarta.* is a spec (ie defined "there" - eclipse-jakarta) and consumable by users to write applications
2. anything consuming this package which is not a container (often referenced as vendor but it is just "implementor") is an application
Side note: we don't care of the container/vendor part since this is the "make it work" part so it is undefined and it is fine.
So jaxb is a spec and a code using JAXContext/@XmlXXX an application outside the spec is an application.
--lukas
> If any tck uses jakarta package it is a miss/bug in the javax->jakarta
> migration but platform didn't change so it must still be done.
> Any automated tool can do it if you want.
> The impact if you don't do is that a vendor not passing TCK can still
> claim to be certified since TCK are not compatible with the spec,
> wouldn't be that great right?
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> Le mar. 11 janv. 2022 à 01:03, Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
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> On 1/10/22 5:04 PM, Dmitry Kornilov wrote:
>>
>> I’m lost in this conversation and surprised that we are jumping to
>> voting so fast.
>>
> The vote ballot as currently written is now for EE 11 only and for
> new TCKs being added to EE 11, which means the answer to the
> original question that initiated this discussion is that the Batch
> TCK does not need any changes (nor does other TCKs being added to EE
> 10).
>
>> I couldn’t find the driver for this change.
>>
> The driver was a question about packaging for the Jakarta Batch TCK.
>
> I thought the discussion was jumping towards adding a Platform
> requirement for applications to not define classes in the "jakarta"
> namespace but we didn't seem to get there. IMO, the time to make
> such an application restriction would of been for EE 9 (since making
> such a change for EE 10 or 11 would be a breaking change now, even
> if it has low likely impact on most applications).
>
>> I believe that less renaming is better for the platform. Renaming
>> and especially renaming in TCKs is a big task. Who is going to do
>> this? I am not ready to assign people to it. Last time we changed
>> names for Maven artifacts we introduced the package split problems
>> we still suffering with. So, if you ask me -> NO RENAMING!____
>>
> IMO, if application classes are allowed to define classes in the
> jakarta namespace, than TCKs should also be allowed to do the same.
> If we add a breaking Platform SPEC change to EE 10 or 11 to not
> allow applications to define classes in the jakarta namespace, TCKs
> should then be updated (new + existing) to follow that same rule.
>
> Scott
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>> Done. I thought from the conversation thread, the package name of
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