changing the name of either of them would be extremely bad for the image and adoption of Jakarta EE.
We spent a lot of time on "namespaces" or naming conventions, therefore those that already have modules better not drop them or suddenly change them if up to 1000 projects including heavyweights like Spring Boot include them, and that way Ten if not Hundreds of Thousands of apps and services may depend on those names.
Writing a few sentences like the module name where present shall reflect the Maven groupId (except for EL or JSP all others do, Websocket is the only special case because it has a Client and Server module) or if everyone thought that would be better the artifactId (in such case every module shall NOW end with ".api” and not change between Jakarta EE 9 and 9.1 or 10) is really no effort compared to the hours we already spent on XML schema that many specs have absolutely no use for.
I can still appreciate Tibor's statements though -- we need to quit adding work, no matter how small of an effort, if we want to meet our goals of delivering Jakarta EE 9 this fall. Thanks, Tibor.
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From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
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Date: 07/23/2020 11:47
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [jakarta.ee-spec.committee][jakarta.ee-spec][jakartaee-spec-project-leads]AutomaticModuleNamesinJakarta EE 9
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That’s not correct, because whereever the definitions of modules like " java.servlet", "java.json", etc. existed in Jakarta EE 8 this must also be changed just like the packages.
See
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g8jYG0JixO3wzZkpeyU1LMIQRhbnZ76kGtdMFE8mieE/edit?usp=sharing
Maybe Scott was a bit ahead of himself sending it to ALL project leads, but especially those that already had a module declaration in Jakarta EE 8 and have not changed that to "jakarta.*" must also do that.
Those with a wrong automatic module name could also be "lazy" and simply remove that, I don’t think any full module-info wasn’t changed or newly introduced correctly, and especially those must not be destroyed because many of them like Activation are used in other specs like Mail, so IMO we could throw those options at them if that is what Scott suggested, but not sure, if the project leads may vote or if they should simply apply them, Option F is the preferred one by the Spec Committee and also what I mentioned here.
Only 8 specs would have to do anything, of these at least 4 already had modules defined in Jakarta EE 8, so they should leave them under the new namespace, the others could also just remove the automatic declaration.
Werner
From: Tibor Digana
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 18:00
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Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [jakarta.ee-spec.committee][jakarta.ee-spec][jakartaee-spec-project-leads]AutomaticModuleNamesinJakarta EE 9
Our goal was to change the license and rename the Java packages. Please do not prolong the work with more ambitions.
Dňa št 23. 7. 2020, 16:48 Scott Stark <starksm64@xxxxxxxxx> napísal(a):
I sent an email to the project leads list asking for feedback in the comments section of the doc that I just added.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:32 AM Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks a lot, that might make it easier to decide.
Werner
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From: Scott Stark
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 03:00
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] [jakartaee-platform-dev][jakarta.ee-spec][jakartaee-spec-project-leads]AutomaticModule NamesinJakarta EE 9
Now there are 6 options in the "Proposals for Handling of Automatic-Module-Name header in Jakarta EE 9" document after merging changes suggested by Kevin and Werner.
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