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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Question about EFSL notice

Hi,

On 5/12/20 6:22 AM, Hussain.NM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.

    Permission to copy, and distribute the contents of this document, or
    the Eclipse Foundation document from which this statement is linked,
    in any medium for any purpose and without fee or royalty is hereby
    granted, provided that you include the following on ALL copies of
    the document, or portions thereof, that you use:

      * link or URL to the original Eclipse Foundation document.
      * All existing copyright notices, or if one does not exist, a
        notice (hypertext is preferred, but a textual representation is
        permitted) of the form: "Copyright © [$date-of-document] Eclipse
        Foundation, Inc.<<url to this license>>"

Should <<url to this license>> also be replaced with https://www.eclipse.org/legal/efsl.php?


there was exactly the same question some time ago[1] and answer given was:

"This part of the license is instructions for how you're supposed to update the document if you make a derivative copy of the document. When you make a copy you're supposed to fill in
that part with the actual URL to the license."

Based on that I would say that No, nothing on these two lines should be changed as it serves just as a template and this is not "a derivative copy of the document". But IANAL and now it is being suggested to do the opposite, so can someone shed some light into this, please? Or am I the only confused person here now?

thanks,
--lukas

[1]: https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/50#discussion_r309744798


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    "Copyright © 2018, 2020 Eclipse Foundation. This software or
    document includes material copied from or derived from Jakarta®
    Enterprise Beans
    https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/
    <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fenterprise-beans%2F4.0%2F&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296037606&sdata=Wb68nIpeOxqJpqopY7wwxBSaaBH%2FaRULSp384kSw6wE%3D&reserved=0>."


+1 (first and most recent year, separated by commas)

Regarding the circle-c and circle-R... the circle-* format is preferred. In cases where it is not possible, (c) and (R) can be substituted.

HTH,

Wayne

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:13 PM Ed Bratt <ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ed.bratt@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    I'd ask Eclipse for clarification of what they would like us to do,
    regarding their notice from the EFSL.

    Since each specification needs this to be updated when it is
    included in any component, new or revised (This seems to be required
    by the embedded instruction: [title and URI of the Eclipse
    Foundation specification document]), I'd add/extend the copyright
    date with the new copyright year.

    Since the URL (in my opinion) ought to be referring to the normative
    document, I would point to the jakarta.ee/specification
    <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecification&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296037606&sdata=Qoj%2BZQRCZ%2FGanskcXUfzIRQUAfIWqU%2BDnwzt%2BN9Yg34%3D&reserved=0>
    URL. (I would recommend neither of the other two options suggested
    since those aren't "normative")

    I think we are already allowing prospective material at this site so
    pointing to that site should be okay, in my opinion. Once it's
    final, the "under development" markings ought to be removed.

    So, I think I'm almost giving a plus-one for Hussain's initial
    suggestion, but starting at 2018 since that's the initial copyright
    of the Specification itself. (I don't know if the circle-c or
    circle-r will be a problem in some text file formats)

        "Copyright © 2018, 2020 Eclipse Foundation. This software or
        document includes material copied from or derived from Jakarta®
        Enterprise Beans
        https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/
        <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fenterprise-beans%2F4.0%2F&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296047604&sdata=4zsDkbf%2B7Ku21itVxO5EObK0Opk67n75AGvBndGi4Wg%3D&reserved=0>."

    Regardless what I think -- Eclipse should probably clarify what they
    would like (initial years, commas, etc.).

    -- Ed

    On 5/11/2020 7:55 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
    Good, fair questions.  I'm going to re-post this discussion to the
    Spec Committee public mailing list to allow some additional input.
     (Not everyone from that team follows the Platform mailing list.)
     Thanks.


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    From: Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxx> <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
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    Ok than go for it, probably just a template saying 2018, the
    Jakarta EE 8 year was 2019, so unless there was a Prior art by
    Oracle that sounds OK.

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    Both the javadocs and specification document have copyright year
    as 2019 in the Jakarta EE 8 release.

    This got me thinking about the URL, there are three possibilities:

      * The eclipse project website -
        _https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j.ejb_
        <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprojects.eclipse.org%2Fprojects%2Fee4j.ejb&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296057591&sdata=ZhDUthRQV3VLpsCEjvk22YCf1eZg6j%2BTNGNvsvw4EiQ%3D&reserved=0>
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        _https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/ejb-api/_
        <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feclipse-ee4j.github.io%2Fejb-api%2F&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296067590&sdata=L5qerkEVo1PIt99WAaEFC%2FAwLVYVteWVj9IAX3DRX2U%3D&reserved=0>(this
        does not exist, might be created in future)
      * The specification website -
        _https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/_
        <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fenterprise-beans%2F4.0%2F&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296067590&sdata=Ku2eUUlNkRSBiEGf1Pwokc9F3fe3ENAgAxa3xCDomu8%3D&reserved=0>(version
        specific URL)

    Which of the above should be used?

    Thanks

    Hussain

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    I would have thought 2018, 2020 in this case.

    Werner

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    Hi,

    The EFSL notice that is included in the API javadocs and
    Specification documents has the following placeholder line:


    The notice is:
    "Copyright © 2018 Eclipse Foundation. This software or document
    includes material copied from or derived from [title and URI of
    the Eclipse Foundation specification document]."

    Should this be changed to reflect the copyright years and the
    placeholder should be filled with the specification name and URL
    like below:

    "Copyright © 2019, 2020 Eclipse Foundation. This software or
    document includes material copied from or derived from Jakarta®
    Enterprise Beans
    _https://jakarta.ee/specifications/enterprise-beans/4.0/_
    <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fenterprise-beans%2F4.0%2F&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C426617c443f44981f1af08d7f5f15b40%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637248289296077588&sdata=OolwOxn9RAs4W8BSw53o7V128SzC7wqBIY3yaEGEQnI%3D&reserved=0>."

    Thanks

    Hussain

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