Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] Jakarta EE Platfrom Call Match 17, 2020 at 11:00 EDT
Despite the meeting being canceled, some people showed up anyway and
we have some useful conversations. Don't consider these minutes,
they're just my recollections of what was talked about, and these
are certainly not official minutes. Corrections are encouraged.
Emily Jiang started by asking about the TCKs and lamenting how there
wsa no documentation about the structure of the TCKs and thus it was
difficult to determine how to extract pieces of the TCk repo for one
particular API in order to create a standalone TCK for that API.
I lamented that we had internal documentation on some of this that
we've never found time to release. Perhaps some of it would be
useful, perhaps not, but I'll go back and see if there's any hope of
springing it loose of Oracle.
I reminded Emily to talk to Andy, who has figured out some parts of
We talked to David Blevins about EJB and what his plans are for
EJB. David was very clear that, given his resource and product
requirements, he was not going to be able to have anyone help on the
EJB implementation in GlassFish. So, it's going to be up to the
GlassFish project team to do this work.
We talked about the EJB interop tests. David believes there are two
kinds of EJB interoperability tests - tests that use only the EJB
APIs to test interoperating with remote EJBs, presumably from the
same vendor, and tests that use the CORBA APIs to test EJB
interoperability using the IIOP. CSIv2, etc. protocols. These later
tests should be removed from the TCK.
Note, however, that the only remote EJB protocol supported by
GlassFish is the CORBA protocol, so these tests that would be
removed from the platform TCK would be very useful as product tests
for GlassFIsh, and we should be careful not to lose them or lose
that ability to use them for GlassFish. They would also be useful
for any other products that currently provide this level of
interoperability and are NOT planning to remove it for Jakarta EE 9
even though it is no longer part of the spec (not even optional).
Vano Beridze lamented that the Jakarta EE RI, Eclipse GlassFish, was
clearly not a production level enterprise server, so was some other
product going to stop in to fill that gap. We explained how there
is no longer any RI, how it's a market competition to determine who
is best. We reminded Vano that Payara Server is very close to
GlassFish, so contributing to GlassFish may see results in Payara
server soon, and for that matter many of the components are shared
with other products so it depends on what component you're
Vano was interested in contributing to the Face products. We gave
hime must of the same "how do I help" advice that has been given on
mailing lists several times. Maybe someone (Reza?) could write up a
Quick Start page for "how do I get started helping?"
We filled the whole hour with these discussions, and could've gone
on longer. A few other people joined and left the call and I didn't
try to keep track of them, sorry.
Now I have some advice of my own (not discussed during the
If you really want to cancel the meeting, for whatever reason, it
needs to be done at least 12, and preferably 24 hours before the
meeting is scheduled to start.
Sometimes it's worthwhile to have a meeting even if there is no
official agenda. Consider it an "unmeeting" where the agenda is
formed at the start of the meeting or during the flow of the
meeting. If it turns out to be a failure, we can stop doing it.
If the meeting end early, consider leaving the zoom running and
displaying a banner that says the meeting ended early. If there's
confusion about the start time and the meeting starts later than
expected for some people, consider starting the zoom conference
early and display a banner that the meeting starts later, e.g., due
to DST changes.
Ivar Grimstad wrote on 3/17/20 7:12 AM:
There are no agenda items, so we will cancel this
If you have something to bring up with the group, don't
hesitate to send it on the mailing list or add it to the
agenda for next week.
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